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[–]nekokun 2978 points2979 points  (213 children)

I wonder why do we even need to have a dedicate law. He stolen something, wasn't that enough to charge him?

[–]DunkelDunkel 1519 points1520 points  (85 children)

came here to say this.

You never could just steal random shit that belonged to people.

[–]ajlunce 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Because he wasn't charged with theft, he was charged with theft of a vehicle. Laws are weird and dumb

[–]i-like-chicken-soup 13 points14 points  (24 children)

Yes but he returned it. The definition of theft is to take without intent to return. This is why theft of a motor vehicle is worded differently, as vehicles are usually abandoned. From my jurisdiction anyway - lawyer.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (22 children)

Are you sure you're a lawyer? Generally the definition of theft is to take with the intent to deprive the rightful owner.

If you return an item you have stolen after some time you have still deprived the rightful owner of that item for a period of time.

Borrowing without consent is absolutely theft unless you are in some weird jurisdiction.

[–]-ah 18 points19 points  (8 children)

If you take the UK as an example, the parent would be right. Car theft is distinct from 'Taking a Conveyance without Authority' although both are dealt with under the Theft Act 1968. Much like stealing anything else would be. So if you take a car and intend to keep it, or break it up you would be charged under section one which stipulates that "a person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with intention to permanently deprive the other of it".

If you take a car without the intent to keep it (so 'Joy Riding' essentially) it is not theft for the purposes of section 1, there is no intention to permanently deprive the owner of the property, or it can't be proved that there was (and it becomes an aggravated offence if the car is driven dangerously or anyone is hurt/property is damaged).

Given US law is to a fairly decent degree taken from English common law I'd be surprised if there weren't similar issues on the other side of the water.

[–]i-like-chicken-soup 11 points12 points  (9 children)

To deprive, permanently, is indeed the definition yes. Hence our laws for β€˜conversion’ of a motor vehicle, plane etc are not considered theft by definition. Am a partner of a firm, yes.

[–]KuntaStillSingle 9 points10 points  (8 children)

So what is 'borrowing without consent,' legally speaking? If there isn't a specific law governing it, I could jack someone's sprinklers with intent to return them eventually?

[–]i-like-chicken-soup 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Here we get to an interesting part of the law, let’s remove a few topics that are illegal: 1. Taking / using computer systems; 2. By deception, dishonestly obtains for pecuniary advantage / taking documents; 3. Burglary by definition. 4. Taking property and using it in such way the owner cannot enjoy the same use as before (eg copying so owner no longer has exclusive rights, damaging the good etc) 5. Broad use of a β€˜criminal nuisance’ charge.

What can you do about your dreaded nemesis taking your sprinklers to annoy you? Well, not much. If you go to the Police to say your neighbour took your garden gnomes temporarily to annoy you, they will tell you to deal with it yourself, or the Police will tell your neighbour to stop being idiots if the Police were nearby and had the time to actually bother.

In the most part, Police won’t bother getting involved, and will not arrest or charge.

/u/-ah is correct, from an English law perspective, which the laws are based upon in my jurisdiction. US laws are much more serious (how I view them - and this is not for right or wrong).

[–]juicyjerry300 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I’m gonna have to say that US laws are superior in this sense, it would never hold up in a US court that you were just borrowing it. That would be seen as an admission of guilt and would just expedite your conviction

[–]platypus_bear 4 points5 points  (2 children)

not sure that makes us laws superior.

there are no actual damages suffered by yourself so I think going fully to court is a waste of time really.

Although if it keeps up there should be more repercussions but full blown convictions are a bit much...

[–]faceerase 347 points348 points  (75 children)

The thing is that he was charged and convicted of a violation of the National Motor Vehicle Theft Act. The appellate court reversed the decision. You can’t try him again because of the prohibition against double jeopardy

The court found that the motor vehicle act, as LexisNexis puts it:

β€œcarefully enumerated the different forms of motor vehicles and had no reference of any kind to aircraft, as including airplanes, a term that was precisely confined to a different class of vehicles. It held that the statute should have given the world a fair warning of what the law intended to do if a certain line was passed in language that the common world would understand. To make the warning fair, so far as possible, the line should have been clear. The court refused to extend the statute, which evoked in the common mind only vehicles moving on land, to aircraft simply because it thought a similar policy applied or because it speculated that if the legislature had thought of it, very likely broader words would have been used. Petitioner's conviction was reversed. ”

The relevant portion of the act:

The term β€˜motor vehicle’ shall include an automobile, automobile truck, automobile wagon, motor cycle, or any other self-propelled vehicle not designed for running on rails.

[–]myrddin4242 192 points193 points  (2 children)

So, really, the first prosecutor screwed up by not charging him with anything he thought could stick?

[–]Beheska 92 points93 points  (32 children)

Well, a plane is a "self-propelled vehicle not designed for running on rails."

[–]Edsgnat 23 points24 points  (13 children)

True. But that’s because planes are so widespread that it’s abundantly obvious to us. At the time, though, airplanes didn’t carry as many passengers nor were they as widespread as they are now. They were about 30 years old at the time of this case and it’s entirely conceivable that a significant portion of people in the US hadn’t even seen a plane in person. It’s entirely possible that someone in the 1930’s reading this statute wouldn’t put planes into that category. If I recall, the congressional history never considered airplanes as these types of vehicles. The logic goes: if congress wanted to include airplanes they would have. But they didn’t, so we can’t punish someone under this statute for stealing one.

As plain as it is to us, back then it wasn’t as clear. It was reasonably open ended. Keep in mind, he wasn’t charged for the common law crime of theft or a generic statute of theft. He was charged with violating this specific federal statute, which doesn’t explicitly mention airplanes. He can’t be punished for something that isn’t explicitly against the law.

It may seem like a cop out, but it’s the system working for us. We don’t want to punish people for things that aren’t defined as criminal.

[–]masuk0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the point is that the word vehicle is not applicable, so at the end it doesn't fit the definition.

[–]kareliasmasher 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Incorrect. He could have been and possibly was tried and convicted under state larceny or RSP laws.

[–]whetherman013 6 points7 points  (4 children)

You can’t try him again because of the prohibition against double jeopardy

Because of dual sovereignty, he could still have been charged under state law. It's not clear why Illinois failed to prosecute.

[–]dman4835 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just had a look through the 1926 version of the US criminal code, which was incredibly brief back then, compared to now. He was charged under Β§408, motor vehicle theft. However, Β§409, larceny, probably would have covered it. Might depend on more details behind the theft itself. As others have said, he would have still been subject to state laws under dual sovereigns.

[–]ThatOtherGuy_CA 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Wait so I can steal a train?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Cruise ship! Arrrrgh!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (11 children)

So the prosecutor was a dumb kitty and charged him under the wrong law. Theft-over would have been a much smarter charge.

[–]ExpOriental 19 points20 points  (5 children)

Theft is a state crime. A federal prosecutor could only bring charges based in federal statutes - here, the NMVTA.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Blame it on me being a dumb Canadian then. Sorry.

[–]ExpOriental 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Fair enough, I have no idea how criminal law works up there so I certainly can't judge

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

AFAIK in Canada all criminal law is federal.

[–]waternymph77 35 points36 points  (2 children)

My thought exactly what about the general steal other people's stuff law?

[–]ThirdFloorGreg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Would habe been convicted of that if he had been charged with it.

[–]ExpOriental 29 points30 points  (5 children)

He was charged by the federal government. The feds can only bring charges based in federal statutes.

Theft is a state crime. Without going into too much detail regarding federalism, jurisdiction, interstate commerce etc., the feds need a special statute to charge anyone with a crime. Here, the statute simply wasn't written to contemplate airplanes.

I won't bore you with the details unless you really want them.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Someone mentioned double jeopardy but couldn't he still be charged for property theft on the State or County levels as well?

[–]ExpOriental 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Probably, but I won't pretend to know the status of whatever the relevant state law was at the time. Double jeopardy wouldn't be an issue, or at least it wouldn't be today. Again, not sure what the practice was at that time.

[–]EunuchsProgramer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Because it wasn't for stealing a plane. It was for transporting a stolen vehicle across state lines. This is a Federal Law. Federal Law historically doesn't deal with garden variety theft, that is left to States.

[–]thereddaikon 7 points8 points  (5 children)

They charged him with the wrong crime. Since you can't be charged repeatedly for the same crime they didn't have a chance to just get him for theft. Double jeopardy is unconstitutional after all. If they had gone with theft to begin with then it would have been different.

Note, that doesn't mean you can't charge someone with multiple crimes at once. That happens all the time. You just can't "put someone in jeapordy" put them on trial more than once for the same supposed crime. Appeals and such notwithstanding. Otherwise dickbag prosecutors or corrupt courts could just keep charging someone over and over until something stuck.

[–]vikinick9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because it's a federal law and typically they're very narrowly defined.

The guy could still be charged in a state for theft, but he wasn't able to be charged for moving a stolen vehicle across state lines by the feds because the law specifically says vehicles and a previous law (a tariff one) had specifically excluded planes from their definition of vehicles.

Since the plane was, by definition, not a vehicle by federal law, the federal law about transporting stolen vehicles between two states could not be applied. There also was no other federal law also broad enough at the time to apply.

But, as I said before, a state could still charge him with theft.

[–]Emiliano_Zapata94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least in Germany using analogy(=~deciding the case without having a law for it) to resolve issues on which there was no ruling of courts prevoiusly/there is no law for, is not allowed in criminal-law, because it should give the citizen legal-security about what he is allowed and what he is not allowed to do.

This was removed (stating the will of the people decides what is a crime and using nazi-judges) in Nazi-Germany which resulted in the seperation of powers being more or less overturned.

There is a similar case where someone stole electricity, by tapping a line, in times where electricity was not yet regarded as something steal-able. The guy was not charged, but we now have a seperate paragraph in criminal-law to theft which is called theft of electricity. The argument the court made was: Electricity basically is no physical object and thus not applicable on the theft paragraph. ...

As to why they didn’t simply charge him for theft, I’m not sure. We learned that in Germany our law (except criminal law) allows analogy. While in the US everything has to be ruled seperately if I remember correctly.

-Studying law english is not my mother-tongue and just started off, so there might be mistakes content and language wise!

[–]mikewarnock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The title is misleading. There was no federal law against stealing airplanes, and this case was brought in federal court. There are state criminal laws against general theft that would apply. Most likely the thief was also charged with the state theft laws, and someone also tried to bring federal charges using the federal automotive theft law to be cute or get a bigger sentence.

[–]wildlywell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

State law has criminalizes theft since the beginning, so he could have been charged by stage authorities.

But this was a federal case, and federal law only covers certain crimes specified by congress.

I imagine the defendant was simply tried in state court after the acquittal.

[–]mayflowercompact[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I don't know that much about law, but I think the implication was that if the word "vehicles" could be stretched to cover aircrafts, other wording problems in law could be also be stretched and interpreted. That sets up a bad precedent I guess.

If someone knows more about this feel free to correct me.

[–]ExpOriental 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The Court's job, besides baseline determinations of constitutionality, is to interpret statutes through the lens of congressional intent.

This case is commonly used to teach a tool of statutory interpretation (these are often referred to as "canons of construction," and while not law per se, they carry considerable weight) called ejusdem generis. This canon refers to extracting the intent behind a list followed by a generic catchall phrase by examining the contents of that list.

At its simplest, this is just pattern recognition. For example, a list that says "apples, pears, peaches and other such foods" could easily be argued to encompass plums. Conversely, it's much harder to believe that the person making the statement intended to include, say, steak within the catchall of "other such foods."

If this just seems like common sense, you're right. That's all it really is, but in the law these types of things have been boiled down to fancy latin phrases so they don't have to re-explain it every time they write it in a brief.

[–]nar0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well according to the wikipedia article, other recently passed laws had explicitly excluded aircraft in their definition of "vehicles" so the court interpreted this as aircraft are not considered as "vehicles" unless specifically specified or some other word was used.

[–]mostly_kittens 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the UK at least, stealing requires the intent to permanently deprive someone of the thing. This is a problem for cars because people steal them to joyride them or use them to drive somewhere. Therefore there is a second law called taking without the owners consent.

[–]DiogenesTheGrey 606 points607 points  (34 children)

Wouldn’t it still be property theft?

[–]wynterwytch 524 points525 points  (31 children)

They tried and failed to charge him under a specific law pertaining to motor vehicles. They could perhaps have brought simple theft charges as well. But it looks like he transported a stolen plane, not stole it himself.

[–]MyNameIsRay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is.

The charge they levied, and convicted on, was more severe.

Charge was overturned on appeals, on the technicality that the clause applied to vehicles and didn't include aircraft.

Due to double jeopardy, prosecutors couldn't levy a different charge for the same act.

[–]HeatAndHonor 218 points219 points  (30 children)

Is there a law against stealing an aircraft carrier? Just asking... for... curiosity.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (7 children)

Yes. The laws of physics when somebody shoots you for trying.

[–]LordPadre 8 points9 points  (6 children)

but i mean if im not technically doing anything wrong then that makes them a murderer dont it?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Yes, but you'd also be dead. Which trumps all urgency in legal matters.

[–]Commonsbisa 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I want to say specifically, no, but there are a number of laws making it illegal to go anywhere near an active one without permission.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

US aircraft carriers have a population of like 6000 military personnel. Legality is pretty much irrelevant when you're basically taking on an entire town. Expecially considering you'd have to have your own army larger than the ones in numerous countries.

[–]Geminii27 23 points24 points  (0 children)

"Free pizza and porn on the dock! Also the admiral is visiting and wants to see all the command staff in the nearby hotel."

sneaks up with tug boat... yoink!

[–]LeodFitz 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Not if you do it in international waters! On the other hand, there's no law against them dropping your body into the ocean out there, either.

[–]watduhdamhell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seeing as how I'm former army, I'm no naval expert- but I do believe that attempting to board the most heavily defended and concentrated piece of mass firepower mankind has ever invented- land or sea- may result in rather negative consequences.

[–]bpmackow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It probably falls under theft of government property and/or some antiterrorism law

[–]highoncraze 64 points65 points  (8 children)

Wasn't there a law against regular theft?

[–]Soopyyy 74 points75 points  (2 children)

Probably, but if you charge someone with "Theft of aircraft" and no such charge exists, they'd be acquitted of that?
They can't just do a double backsies and change their mind on what they want to charge a person with after its gone to court.

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[–]poopellar 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He stole the airplane business class lunch your honor.

[–]sorigah 16 points17 points  (2 children)

at least in germany the object needs to be defined. while i dont really understand why an aircraft wouldnt be defined, in germany we had a similar case when someone stole electricity. because electricty isnt a physical object and you can only steal physical objects there was no way to prosecute someone who steals it.

[–]SpaceShrimp 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yes, but in that case it makes sense. "Stealing electricity" is not in any way a suitable description of that crime. Theft is a well specified crime, and should be.

But I would be surprised if there aren't other German laws that covers usage of services you are not entitled.

[–]Noodleholz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That happened in the 19th century and back then there were no other laws that applied to that case so they had to write a new law specifically for the theft of electricity.

[–]nar0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Looks like it wasn't a theft per se but rather he was transporting aircraft that he knew was stolen but did not steal himself. The law they had against transporting vehicles you knew was stolen only applied to "vehicles" and congress literally just passed a law the year before this that stated that aircraft were not vehicles, just like how ships were not considered vehicles but vessels.

[–]dtol2020 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Now THATS a man with a good lawyer

[–]CrazyLeprechaun 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Wait, weren't there laws that dealt with property theft? Did the DA just fuck up and charge him with the wrong thing?

[–]nar0 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He didn't actually steal it, he was just transporting it while knowing it was stolen.

[–]Keikobad 14 points15 points  (2 children)

<Transcript from the 1932 *Law and Order* radio program>

Defense Attorney: Your honor, the charges must be dropped immediately. There’s no crime here.

Judge: He’s right, Jack. There’s nothing in the statute that describes airplanes.

District Attorney: Your honor!!!

Judge: Case dismissed.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Thank God stealing property wasn't a crime yet, either....?

[–]Dragon_Fisting 22 points23 points  (1 child)

It was, the prosecution bungled it and tried him on the wrong statute. No double jeopardy means that prosecution only has the one chance to nail you for the crime.

[–]MechKeyboardScrub 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same reason they offer murder 1 and murder 2 and sometimes manslaughter all for the same case. If the jury doesn't like murder 1 and the others aren't an option then GG, you walk.

[–]HabitualLineStepping 7 points8 points  (4 children)

This reminds me of that baggage handler kid that managed to take off in a plane and all he wanted was to do a loop-de-loop. Ended up crashing. :/

[–]mayflowercompact[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yeah that was tragic, I think it was pretty much a suicide though, he said he didn't plan on landing it.

[–]coinpile 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, he was suicidal. Amazingly, he actually pulled off the loop-de-loop.

[–]debauch3ry 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That was such a sad case. They did such a rubbish job of trying to talk him down, too.

[–]Subzero_AU 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Why are there 100 comments asking about theft of property and 100 replying about the prosecution and double jeopardy, just read people.

[–]how_to_choose_a_name 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But wait, there's more! People also argue that double jeopardy doesn't apply because state and federal charges are independent of each other, and then there's those who claim he didn't actually steal the plane and just transported it. If only someone here had read the article so we would know for sure!

Well it won't be me, I'm just gonna reply to other people while pretending to know what I'm talking about, because actually reading the article is for plebs.

[–]kstew97 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Learned this a couple days ago in legal systems!!!! Loved this case!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wouldn’t it still be considered property?

[–]CloudiusWhite 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Chappelle: "I'm sorry officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that."

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is one of the first cases I learned in Criminal Law last semester. Another similar case we learned was Yates v. United States, in which a fisherman was charged with destroying evidence because he threw away his illegally poached fish. Ultimately, he was let go because the fish were not considered "tangible objects" because the particular law in which he was charged under specified "tangible objects" to be "documents, papers, or other records of information."

[–]Geminii27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

brb, stealing a space shuttle...

[–]kekokimiko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn if only that had still been the case for that young man who crashed the plane he stole rather than face incarceration.

Wait did he crash because of that?

[–]donoteatthatfrog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LPT: commit a crime before it is a crime.

[–]guroth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait until u learn about Thomas Fitzpatrick :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Fitzpatrick_(pilot)

At approximately 3 a.m. on September 30, 1956, Fitzpatrick, while intoxicated, stole a single engine plane from the Teterboro School of Aeronautics in New Jersey and flew without lights or radio before landing on St. Nicholas Avenue near 191st Street in front of a New York City bar where earlier he had been drinking and made an intoxicated barroom bet that he could travel from New Jersey to New York City in 15 minutes. The New York Times called the flight a "feat of aeronautics" and a "fine landing". For his illegal flight, he was fined $100 after the plane's owner refused to press charges.

On October 4, 1958 just before 1 a.m., Fitzpatrick, again intoxicated, stole another plane from the same airfield and landed on Amsterdam and 187th street in front of a Yeshiva University building after another bar patron disbelieved his first feat. For his second stolen flight, Judge John A. Mullen sentenced him to six months in prison stating, "Had you been properly jolted then, it’s possible this would not have occurred a second time."[3] Fitzpatick said "it's the lousy drink" that caused him to pull the stunt.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I learned recently that the UCMJ (military laws) received an update to its definition of breaking and entering, to reflect that it can happen in the daytime too, not just the nighttime. It really made me wonder if someone got acquitted for breaking and entering because he did it during the day.

[–]hypnos_surf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He was acquitted due to the specific charge against him which was in violation of National Motor Vehicle Theft Act. Due to an airplane not fitting the description of this specific charge against him, he was acquitted. After McBoyle v. United States, the obvious lesson was learned.

"Although it is not likely that a criminal will carefully consider the text of the law before he murders or steals, it is reasonable that a fair warning should be given to the world in language that the common world will understand, of what the law intends to do if a certain line is passed. To make the warning fair, so far as possible the line should be clear."

[–]John_From_The_IRS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isn't it still considered property either way, which he stole? Maybe he was acquitted from specifically aircraft theft but I can't imagine from property theft

[–]LetFiefdomReign 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There are no laws against theft of property?

Sounds fishy.

[–]syberghost 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He was charged with a Federal crime that wasn't applicable. Had he been charged with theft back in Illinois, he'd have been much more likely to be convicted.

[–]sandleaz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

TIL that in 1931, a man stole an airplane but was acquitted on all charges because airplanes were not considered "vehicles" and there was no law against aircraft theft at the time.

This makes no sense. If there is no law specifying items you can't steal, then you can steal those items?

[–]mayflowercompact[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I probably could have worded it a little better. The idea was he was tried under vehicle theft, which the court found did not include aircrafts, and could not be tried again for the same crime.

[–]Cracklinrosy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Innovation at it’s best!!!

[–]lhxtx 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Lawyer here. Without reading the case, that sounds like the prosecutor didn’t charge him under other applicable law and the thief got away on a technicality.

[–]terela8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, it makes sense to me amiright?

[–]SchmaceyFromSpacey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TIL I’m living in the wrong generation.

[–]link3945 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds a little similar to Larry Walker's lawn chair flight:

"We know he broke some part of the Federal Aviation Act, and as soon as we decide which part it is, some type of charge will be filed. If he had a pilot's license, we'd suspend that, but he doesn't."

[–]SuccoyaHoyaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just went over this case today in class. Pretty neat stuff

[–]Samsamams 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolute legend

[–]Wildcard777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He stole private property. Why does this need to be specific??

[–]DonteFinale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there a law against space craft theft yet?

[–]Natuurschoonheid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This time is why law needs a good word that means anything that could possibly be stolen

[–]Noodleholz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something similar also happened in germany. In the 19th century someone stole electricity but he couldn't be convicted of theft because the definition of theft required taking an "object" without permission and electricity isn't an object.

They had to write a new law specifically for the theft of electricity but since laws don't work retroactively, any prior theft of electricity wasn't punished.

[–]ssjgoat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I'm sorry officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that."

[–]greatatdrinking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I put a file 250 folders deep in a shared drive folder at school once. Technically... not against the rules!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did he have to return it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This might be a stupid question but if this set a precedent or something how would it affect the future law?

[–]AviatorNine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sky King Sr.

[–]cakes42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't something similar happen with someone riding a horse carriage drunk and killed someone? Couldn't be charged because it wasn't considered a vehicle either.

[–]makeme84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just wow.

[–]Billuminati666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

GTA (Grand Theft Aircraft) confirmed

[–]DukeOfJelly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zero tollerance...or zero intelligence? Bites you in the ass in the end no matter what.

[–]livinitupincali 0 points1 point  (0 children)

dude must've been white

[–]SkyMayFall 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is there a law against stealing the Declaration of Independence?

[–]iRonin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fun (related) story: Peachtree City in Georgia is known for being home to a large concentration of Delta pilots AND for miles and miles of golf cart paths.

So two guys, one blind, go to a restaurant. The guy that can see drove them there on his golf cart. He proceeded to get drunk. DUI is prohibited as a state law, and applies to golf carts. Driving while blind however is basically a regulatory prohibition (can’t get a DL ergo, driving while blind is driving without a license, however a DL isn’t required for operating a golf cart), so the blind guy and his service dog drove the drunk guy back. The drunk guy gave the blind instructions.

It ended predictably when the golf cart hit a parked car, and they DID find something to charge him with (reckless conduct), but later had to update their municipal code to prohibit blind drivers...

Proof: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5215423/ns/us_news-weird_news/t/heard-one-about-blind-golf-cart-driver/

[–]lundgrenisgod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn. I just read in the manual that my daughter’s hover board is considered a motor vehicle. Shit done changed.

[–]Tutorbin76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This seems bizarre. Were they not considered "property" either?

[–]bates4653 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still burglary

[–]litux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

McBoyle transported a plane that he knew to be stolen from Ottawa, Illinois to Guymon, Oklahoma.

[–]generalzee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no rule that says a golden retriever can't play basketball.

[–]xetes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's still private property.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Reminds me of how Canada's Criminal Code provision for impaired driving explicitly spells out that it applies to:

motor vehicle, vessel, aircraft or railway equipment

[–]Guy_In_Florida 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fast forward to 1986 and there is no charge in the UCMJ for a L/Cpl that steals an A4 Skyhawk. His legend lives on in the Marine Air Wing.

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-tale-of-when-a-marine-mechanic-stole-an-a-4-skyhawk-1745015819

[–]d3s7iny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm. Let me go steal a spacecraft. No way there is a specific law for that yet

[–]lefttha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some lawyer, huh!

[–]Slobotic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nulla poena sine lege

[–]bobsheiskawy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just listened to an episode of Lexicon Valley that talked about this yesterday (I guess the same day this was posted; weird).

Link: http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2014/03/lexicon_valley_court_cases_in_which_the_dictionary_was_the_star_witness.html