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[–]InconsolableDreams 1566 points1567 points  (57 children)

I'm the same, no gifts, no tricks. It did take a bit for my husband to actually trust that I meant it. I still don't think it's something that men should be enforcing for themselves?

Just today we basically high five'd Happy Valentine's Day and that was it.

[–]Sandwidge_Broom 367 points368 points  (11 children)

Fiancé and I got takeout sushi and watched a movie in our PJs on Saturday. That was it. No gifts other than the gift of spending time together. It was lovely.

[–]chemistrategery 173 points174 points  (5 children)

My wife and I have had a standing takeout sushi and movie in night for every Valentines Day the last dozen years. 10/10 cannot recommended highly enough.

We’ll go get a fancy dinner here sometime in the next few weeks when it isn’t a madhouse to try to get a table.

[–]Sandwidge_Broom 39 points40 points  (0 children)

That’s always a problem, too! And my fiancé is a CPA so busy season is starting around now, so all he really wants on the weekend is to decompress at home. Which is cool, I’m a homebody, too.

[–]A__SPIDER 68 points69 points  (9 children)

For our first Valentines together, my now husband wanted to go all out because he had never had a girlfriend before. For our second we did nothing (my preference, I don’t believe in Valentine’s Day). For our third, this mofo somehow let his coworker convince him that I was clearly lying or playing games because of course ALL women must want presents on Valentine’s Day.

[–]legal_bagel 148 points149 points  (7 children)

No, we want presents on a Tuesday. We want you to be out somewhere and see something that reminds you of us that you just had to grab. We want you to pick up our favorite snack when you're out running an errand just because.

I mean this is me, sounds like a lot of others as well, but we want thoughtfulness because you're thinking of us, not because some greeting card company decrees that it is the holiday of love.

Side note, my teen agrees that the best thing about valentines day is the discount candy the day after. We will "celebrate" the 15th.

[–]A__SPIDER 40 points41 points  (4 children)

Happy National half price candy day to everyone!

[–]SauronOMordor 12 points13 points  (1 child)

we want thoughtfulness because you're thinking of us, not because some greeting card company decrees that it is the holiday of love

I feel like this is the case for the vast majority of women, and failure to understand this is the reason why many men's attempts to impress fall flat.

They will do nothing thoughtful for months on end, then buy flowers on Valentine's Day and when their gf/wife doesn't react with utter joy and gratitude, they are confused and think she must be the problem because he did the thing you're supposed to do on Valentine's Day. But he didn't bother to consider whether she even likes flowers or what kind. He just grabbed whatever was at the front display at the grocery store on the way home and walked in like he's some kind of hero for doing the socially obligated romance.

If your gf is upset about getting flowers on Valentine's Day, it's because there's something else you're not doing and this mechanical, thoughtless "gift" just reminds her of that.

I wouldn't be upset if my partner came home this evening with flowers or chocolate, but I also won't be upset if he comes home with nothing (which is what I am expecting), because he does little things regularly throughout our day to day life together that make me feel seen and loved (like the things you wrote above).

[–]JCDU 171 points172 points  (15 children)

It did take a bit for my husband to actually trust that I meant it.

I think you've probably hit the nail on the head there - society, media, film & TV etc. condition everyone that you can't possibly do something basic & cheap on valentines day and if your partner says otherwise it's actually trick/trap/test.

[–]ScottIPease 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Exactly.... (Male here)

I got so much crap and pressure from friends both male and female when I told them my GF and I had a similar agreement... "Don't believe it! Of course you need to get her something!" We played minigolf and ate hotdogs... she said it was a blast.

On the other side I have a friend that ranted about how her BF and common friend didn't get her anything after agreeing they were just going to go out to eat and a walk along the canal... "It is just part of the game! If he can't understand what I REALLY MEAN then maybe it isn't to be."

Communication and trust go hand in hand.

[–]JCDU 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"It is just part of the game! If he can't understand what I REALLY MEAN then maybe it isn't to be."

That this is still a fairly common and accepted behaviour is so shit, glad I gave up tolerating people like that long ago.

[–]paulstelian97 86 points87 points  (5 children)

It's not just the media. It's actually encountering the girls that want it to be like in the media which conditions us into being like that.

I still haven't encountered a girl who does things properly from this point of view of no hidden expectations and I'm 25.

[–]divinearcanum 89 points90 points  (3 children)

And girls are like that because they are told from a young age that this is how they should act and it's being told that through the media and unfortunately people who raise them. (Source: I am a woman) It's about unlearning "norms" that have been groomed to believe since a very young age. It's not something that girls and women inherently DO. It's taught.

Good and honest communication is difficult. Maybe if it's not something you want then you need to communicate with your partners and create a compromise.

Also, if women are here telling you the reality of the situation then it would be wise to listen.

[–]paulstelian97 11 points12 points  (2 children)

When I meet the next one that I want (whether for a friendship or for more) I'll try to make this clear. Thanks.

It'll be a few months still, right now I don't exactly meet many new people in the first place but due to being forced to no longer work from home I will move to another city which will give me more chances to meet new people overall.

[–]divinearcanum 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I wish you lots of luck! :)

Just two cents from a lady stranger on the internet but communication is so so so important and it takes time to unlearn things that people have been conditioned to believe. I had to spend lots of time telling my husband (back when we were dating) that I wasn't trying to "trick" him when I said I didn't want something. Being open and honest with yourself and your future partner is key <3

[–]eesabet 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We had a conversation early on about communicating and how no one is a mind reader. I recall distinctly this point: if I ask you what you want for dinner or to do this weekend (or whatever) and you say ‘I don’t care’ I will take you at your word. It’s so freeing not playing games with your SO. It’s been 11 years and still going strong, we don’t play stupid games (or win stupid prizes) and support each other no questions asked. He’s more of a dreamer and I’m the realist but we complement each other. It’s great. 10/10 recommend.

[–]GoOnAndFauntIt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, there are plenty of women who have these expectations and men get to choose between falling short of the mark or overdoing it. OP may be frustrated about her husband’s choice, but I can guarantee there will be countless women tonight who will be upset that their partner did not go all out for them, and some of them are in this thread silently envying OP for having a husband that tried too hard instead of not enough.

[–]grubas 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I get my wife the same present. A white rose and a bottle of scotch. Tonight we shall watch Jeopardy! and bicker over who takes out the trash, cause its Tuesday.

[–]simplicityduplicity 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Partner and I agreed beforehand on a certain amount spent and he asked for some ideas as he wanted to get me something. I have a thing for amethyst, so he went and surprised me with some gorgeous amethyst studs in the exact size and shape that I like (can be worn out or professionally in my field). I took him to get a few more of his favorite pullover tops at a favorite store of his, and he was thrilled that I remembered these details.

We already spent this weekend watching the game and I cheered on his team with him, ate a bunch of snacks together. We also went to a dinner/dance thing that I had prepaid tickets for months ago and had a wonderful time dancing together, getting closer. (He surprised me with a matching corsage and boutonnière in my favorite color, just to make me happy.)

It’s almost like the good guys listen and follow directions because there’s no secret. Adults who love and respect each other communicate effectively, and listen effectively.

[–]Kirschenkind 10 points11 points  (0 children)

My bf and i send eachother cheesy, bad, funny or cringe ecards on valentins day :D it's super fun.

[–]Kgriffuggle 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I literally forgot it was Valentine’s Day until I saw this post. 🤷‍♀️ husband and I barely celebrate our anniversary, let alone a frivolous holiday like this one. I’m so grateful he listened to me when I said I’m not interested in this stuff

[–]Nihilikara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wait, it's Valentine's Day? Goddamn.

[–]coreopsidaisies 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My bf and i pretend like it doesn't exist. Yr 2, so far so good!

[–]changhyun 712 points713 points  (51 children)

I get it. When I say "no gifts" I do actually mean "no gifts", and I expect those closest to me to know me well enough to know that it's not a trick or a test, I'm being completely sincere.

In the past I've dated men who have not taken me seriously when I say stuff like "I don't like jewelry" or "Don't get me anything non-functional like flowers as a present please, it's not my thing" and have got me flowers and jewelry for special occasions anyway. It just made me feel like they weren't even dating me, they were just dating some construct in their mind of some generic woman. Like, their thought process was so clearly "But women like flowers and jewelry and /u/changhyun is a woman, so /u/changhyun must like flowers and jewelry" instead of paying attention to me the individual human and what I actually like. It was, in a weird way, hurtful to me. It was like, "Why don't you listen to me when I talk? Why do you believe this imaginary idea of a woman you've made up in your head over me, the living, breathing human who just told you in plain English what she would like?"

[–]IronJuno 267 points268 points  (18 children)

I’ve told my spouse that if he ever gets the itch to buy me flowers, buy me a doughnut instead

[–]bromst_ 79 points80 points  (14 children)

Before the helium shortage I'd tell people I'd rather have a dozen balloons than a dozen roses, because wilting flowers make me sad and balloons make me happy :) but now that I have a slight feeling of guilt having helium balloons, I may just switch to asking for a dozen doughnuts! Thanks for the brilliant idea~

[–]The_Chaos_Pope 41 points42 points  (2 children)

What about cake pops decorated to look like balloons?

Not that donuts are bad, personally I'd rather have some good donuts than cake pops but I'm not a fan of balloons.

[–]bromst_ 16 points17 points  (1 child)

okay that sounds super cute, if I ever want to try making cake pops I'm gonna try that!

[–]The_Chaos_Pope 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Awesome! 😄

[–]KrillinDBZ363 17 points18 points  (3 children)

because wilting flowers make me sad and balloons make me happy

Dang, no sadness for the slowly deflating balloons?

[–]bromst_ 12 points13 points  (2 children)

not particularly tbh, they're still super fun to bop around that way! haha

it also really helps that they were never alive, that's kinda the biggest bummer of flowers for me

[–]MonteBurns 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So your keepy uppy game is solid?

[–]LaDivina77 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Awww, I get my absolute money's worth from flowers. When they start to look a bit droopy, they get hung up to dry, or pressed. Then I'll enjoy dried flower arrangements, or make crafts, or crumble them into a jar for spell work later. I've even taken to composting the stems. I love balloons that I can bop around for weeks, but eventually I have to throw them away, which makes me sadder than it ought to.

[–]Penguin_Dreams 45 points46 points  (2 children)

Great news, you can still enjoy helium balloons! That helium is a byproduct gathered during the production of medical and scientific grade helium. It’s not pure enough to be used that way.

[–]bromst_ 11 points12 points  (1 child)

oh dang! well that's good to know, I may get myself a balloon soon to celebrate :)

[–]Penguin_Dreams 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And some doughnuts, lol! ;)

[–]Matt0071895 11 points12 points  (2 children)

If it’s the helium that gets you down, I found some balloons the other day that use regular air (I think) that are made to look like their walking. Like a dinosaur balloon with little legs that make it bounce when it hits the ground. An adorable way to get your balloons while not contributing to the helium issues!

[–]bromst_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Aw that sounds so fun! I'm gonna look into stuff like that, thank you!

[–]Matt0071895 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course! I think the one I saw was carried by a kid at food city. Might check there if wall have one.

[–]Shewhohasroots 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My wife and I exchanged a couple bouquets of balsa wood flowers that we’d painted together. Not so much anymore, as I grow my own flowers and cutting from the garden or the wild flowers is choice, but back when it was expensive to continuously do so.

[–]red wine and popcornsuziesunshine17 21 points22 points  (0 children)

🤣 Perfect!

[–]a-snakey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So a dozen donuts? :D

[–]bunnyrut 51 points52 points  (4 children)

It took years to get my husband to stop buying me jewelry. I don't know why he bought it in the first place because I don't wear jewelry!

Maybe a necklace once in a while. But I hardly ever wear earrings due to a nickel allergy, and because it has been so long my holes are closed up. I would need to go to a piecing place to get them reopened. I don't wear earrings enough to want to go through that.

But every anniversary and every valentine's day he would give me jewelry. And I would never wear it. We also never go anywhere that would require me to get dressed up enough to wear it, and my jobs weren't the places for expensive jewelry. So they sit in the boxes they came in, untouched.

It really makes you feel like you are not getting gifts for you.

[–]delorf 26 points27 points  (2 children)

I think a lot of men have been trained to view women as their gender before being an individual with unique wants and desires. So you are a woman first before you are bunnyrut the person. According to the media, women all want jewelry so therefore my wife is not being honest and actually wants jewelry.

[–]Sunburntvampires 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I’ve definitely encountered many people who tell me not to get them gifts, and then will use that against me. So I could see where men get trained this way.

But men also need to listen to their partner on these things. If you have a partner who says no to certain kinds of gifts, believe them. At least it shows your partner you’re listening to them. If they use that against you, you need a different discussion.

Back to OPs post, her husband might have thought he was doing the right thing but he made OP feel unheard, possibly guilty that she did listen to the agreement, and he lied to her and set back their goals.

[–]Call-Me-Risley[S] 109 points110 points  (1 child)

I understand you exactly, I dated men like this as well. In this case, I actually do like chocolate and jewelry (I'm with you on flowers, though) and under different circumstances I would be overjoyed with these gifts, but its the disregard for our larger goal that has me feeling meh right now.

[–]Gwerch 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Why did he do that?

[–]Four_beastlings 257 points258 points  (10 children)

I got downvoted to he and called a witch for saying that I broke up with my ex when he got me gold heart shaped jewelry, flowers and chocolate for our third anniversary. To me, that meant that he was dating Generic Chick #639 instead of me, an actual person who anyone who's been paying attention for five minutes knows I hate gold hearts, flowers and chocolates.

You know the gifts I've appreciated the most? A graphics card, a fluffy towel, and a lighter. Because they answered actual needs of mine and showed that my partner had been listening to me.

[–]Beccaroni7 120 points121 points  (1 child)

There was a post I think on TikTok that went viral recently. A girl was venting over her partner for getting a really nice piece of gold jewelry.

People were absolutely roasting her in the comments, but completely missed the point. The couple had been together for years, and she was explicit about how she wears and enjoys jewelry, but ONLY silver.

The gold jewelry was like a slap in the face to her. Her partner didn’t actually listen to what she actually likes, and just thought that random jewelry=good gift.

[–][deleted] 63 points64 points  (1 child)

Oh no! A person who has a preference in their own gifts, must be a witch /s. I totally agree with you, we shouldn’t just be happy to receive a gift if it’s something we don’t even remotely like. My husband used to have it in his head that if he choose something, then I should just be happy with it. And I said, if you’re spending so much on something for me, don’t you want to make sure I actually want the thing? I am a person who prefers practical items and snacks/chocolates. Call me boring, but that’s the way to my heart.

[–]kat_a_klysm 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I would’ve dumped him too! Everyone who knows me, knows I can’t stand gold. If you’re buying me gold anything, you obviously don’t pay attention. Which means you don’t deserve to be my partner.

[–]Shewhohasroots 26 points27 points  (3 children)

There really needs to be a stop to the “it’s the thought that counts” when it’s clear that what went wrong is a lack of thought for the person.

[–]DrCunningLinguistPhD 15 points16 points  (1 child)

If anything needs to stop, it’s giving thoughtless gifts to loved ones. The thought really is what counts, rather than the actual item. The fact that someone paid attention (thought of you) when they give you a gift is the important and needed part.

[–]Aslanic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yup, I have a rule that for my birthday and christmas I get at least one surprise gift that I don't have to purchase or wrap, but it also can be small and it's usually a book or funko pop set or something he knows I will like. Bigger purchases we talk about. He knew going into xmas he was getting a new processor (lol) and for his bday we are talking about upgrading the power supply to his computer and some other things.

[–]Diadelphia 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is so well put and I agree 100% with the dilemma of some mind-constructed idea of a woman when giftgiving. We are individuals and love different things.

[–]lefrench75 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I told an ex "no flowers on my birthday" and he... still got me flowers on my birthday. We were doing long distance at the time so I called him and we got into a huge fight.

[–]Tara1994 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When my partner and I first got together he brought me earrings as a Christmas present and flowers for Valentine’s Day, and I was grateful and said thank you and all that but wasn’t really into them and didn’t even really know what to do with the flowers because I didn’t have a vase or anything else to put them in. I think they ended up in a pint glass that was barely big enough. I was way more enthusiastic when he brought me some crisps that I liked without me asking for them when I randomly went over one time. I hadn’t even realised that he’d paid any attention to me getting them.

This Valentine’s he got me some chocolate liquor that I really like but don’t get often, and I got him a Lego set.

[–]SoCalThrowAway7 762 points763 points  (35 children)

I’d be wondering who else was in his ear. My wife and I do no gifts on Valentine’s Day and every single time someone asks me what we’re doing that day they immediately go “idk I think she’s just telling you that but really wants something” or “she just wants you to surprise her, you better get her something or you’re going to have a bad day that day.” Idk where this idea came from, probably tv and marketing, but general society seems to be stubbornly holding to the idea that women need something on Valentine’s Day or else.

[–]poplarleaves 331 points332 points  (7 children)

Yeah if OP's communication with her husband is normally rock solid, I would bet there's external pressure on him. Like the response she got on r/offmychest - "clearly he saw through your trick" - IS EXACTLY the type of pressure that her husband has probably gotten. I can imagine that maybe a friend, maybe family, echoed that exact sentiment to him and he was swayed by it.

[–]SoCalThrowAway7 77 points78 points  (1 child)

My mom is usually the biggest one saying oh no you have to get her something still and I have to constantly be like you don’t know what you’re talking about

[–]poplarleaves 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Yep, older relatives can be pretty bad about this because their values are so different and outdated at this point

[–]gibby256 31 points32 points  (4 children)

My wife and I explicitly don't get each other gifts. We're an acts and experiences kind of couple, so we wind up doing vacations or nice dinners and things of that sort.

We literally both get heat every damn holiday when people find out we don't exchange gifts. It gets so frustrating and the consumerist "gotta have more things" mentality is just absolutely woven through everyone.

Specifically regarding the "she's tricking you and really wants a gift" thing: I've literally lost count of the number of times I've had people - of all genders - try to convince me that I was walking into a trap.

[–]poplarleaves 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Man, that's nuts. It boggles my mind sometimes how unimaginative? narrow-minded? limited in different life experiences? some people can be, that they can't believe other people just prefer to live differently. It's not even that big of a difference imo, you're still doing something special for the holiday.

[–]lookitsnichole 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My husband and I do gifts for birthdays (that can be one of us paying for a nice dinner as well though), but don't for holidays and it's very nice. For Christmas we like to buy something we both want for the house from our joint funds. Older people definitely do not like this approach though.

[–]delorf 50 points51 points  (3 children)

I told my husband that I wanted a Kitchenaid mixer for Christmas and was so happy he got me one in my favorite color! Lots of people told him that I'd hate that gift because it was for the house. Here's the thing I tell him what I want. Why would I lie about what I want?

[–]Cavalish 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People were raised on too much television where the men were oblivious buffoons and the women were deceptive shrews, and when they want to give out advice they fall back on those stereotypes.

[–]The Everything KegelSaxamaphooone 215 points216 points  (3 children)

This. And it’s EXTREMELY frustrating!

And not only have I had boyfriends get me gifts after I said “no gifts”, but they’ve given me things they should know I don’t like if they’ve listened to anything I’ve said. I HATE getting flowers and I would be totally mortified to get expensive jewelry. Yet I’ve had boyfriends seem to think “but women like flowers and jewelry and since she’s a woman she’ll like them.” Like they’re buying gifts for this generic idea of a woman and not ME.

The man who is now my husband got me the aftermarket car parts I had casually talked about wanting for the first Christmas we were together and I was thrilled! Not only because he got me the parts I wanted, but because it showed that he actually listened to the things I said.

If a dude finds himself in that situation where she said no gifts but actually didn’t mean it, then she needs to work on communicating because that’s not healthy or fair. Most women do not do that.

[–]Eclectophile 45 points46 points  (1 child)

lol yep. Last valentine's day, I got my wife a high quality table saw. She was thrilled - especially since it was on sale, and slightly better than the one she'd had her eye on. My friends were laughing at me for getting into trouble by giving her something that was clearly for me, but they were so wrong.

[–]GolfballDM 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Last year, I got my wife the Lego Collector R2-D2.

It was probably the gift she's enjoyed the most over the years (we'll reach 15 years married in July.).

[–]echomermaidtango 56 points57 points  (6 children)

This is so true. Societal pressure is a huge driver of the idea that there is only one correct way to celebrate romance. I requested a pearl engagement ring after my husband proposed with no ring because he wanted to include me in choosing the jewelry I would be wearing. Every single person he told, told him that I was lying and to choose a diamond engagement ring that I "secretly wanted". Fortunately, my husband believed me and I got the engagement ring of my dreams. But there is a strong pressure to do things "the right way" aka what marketing departments have decided is romantic.

[–]Githyerazi 7 points8 points  (1 child)

My wife went for the diamond ring the first time. When we reached our 10 year anniversary and she wanted an upgrade and found that the diamond was relatively worthless when you're selling it back, she went with a 23K gold ring instead.

[–]SoulMetaKnight 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I was kind of thinking this too. Because even if you do say no gifts there’s still the pressure that you have to get them a gift because “well she’s just trying to tell you she wants something without being greedy.“ I think he might’ve been under some sort of pressure by other people and finally caved in

[–]recyclopath_ 32 points33 points  (5 children)

OR we could listen and believe our partners.

We don't do valentines day. We do Loving Day in June, when it's sunny and nice and we can get reservations to a nice restaurant and celebrate each other.

[–]SoCalThrowAway7 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I didn’t say we shouldn’t listen to or believe our partners did I?

All I said was he’s probably getting pressured by everyone and then complained about how stupid it is that people pressure others over this. Then I blamed the media for it I guess.

Which part made you think I meant we shouldn’t listen to our partners?

[–][deleted] 490 points491 points  (19 children)

I think what gets me is that he knew your savings goal was important to you. If he had surprised you with a picnic or something cheap but thoughtful I'd be more understanding. But this is definitely annoying at best.

[–]Callewag 84 points85 points  (0 children)

This is a good point. If it was a lower cost ‘saw this and thought of you’ type gift that would be sweet and still keep to the savings goal. Going for something pricey really is ignoring the reasoning behind her request.

[–]CheesyGarlicPasta 153 points154 points  (6 children)

Yea he not only ignored the request of keeping low key, he ignored the spirit of the request by doing things that went against why the request was made in the first place.

[–]quirkscrew 54 points55 points  (5 children)

Not to mention, he technically spent her own money on it. Based on OP's description, they share all finances, and he doesn't have a separate bank account that he can go around using to "spoil" her. Therefore it isn't even technically a gift lol, just a surprise.

Edit: yah I know this might be a kind of controversial take on gift giving in a marriage. So be it.

[–]grubas 27 points28 points  (1 child)

I'd argue it's not as controversial as you think, if it's a joint account it's joint money. Normally if you want a big gift you squirrel money off your paycheck to save up for it.

But money is weird with many people.

[–]cracked_chrysalis 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My wife and I each take 5% of every source of income and put it in our own private, individual accounts. That way, 90% of our income goes to the joint account, but we still have our own discretionary funds for things like gifts or personal hobbies. This helps us avoid the “spending joint funds on anniversary gifts” debacle, though we still have a standing “no gifts are expected” rule, because neither of us are good at remembering to get gifts. When we do buy each other gifts, there are no strings attached.

[–]jennirator 67 points68 points  (10 children)

This is it. There are other ways to achieve the same sentiment and still keep the savings goal!

[–]readingreddit4fun 34 points35 points  (7 children)

AGREED!!!

I teach financial literacy and my hubby & I only celebrate Valentines' Day because it's the day I finally agreed to open a joint checking account with him which was a turning point in our financial journey together. (Long story behind that).

This year, we're going to do some kind of chill (perhaps fast food) dinner and go to the Lego store to buy a set to build together (we'd rather spend more on the Lego than on dinner). :)

[–]Westward_Sloth 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I love this idea! My husband run his own trucking company, and I only see him on the weekends. We always kept it to a $20 limit before, but this year we both discussed that we are just out of ideas. We have everything we need that’s $20 and under. One thing we do though is we buy each other a new Yeti cup each Christmas. Then we decorate that cup with stickers from our adventures (gift shops at National Parks, museums, etc.) and then that Yeti becomes a time capsule for the year and is displayed on our shelves. We’ve been unhappy with the fact that we take our vacation in September (no kids, less tourists everywhere, not competing with my coworkers for vacation time, etc.) and therefore our Yetis are fairly bare most of the year. So this year for Valentines we ordered each other a $5 pack of stickers (he got me classic internet memes, I got him some outdoorsy/nature themed ones). Our new agreement is we can only put stickers from gifts from each other or adventures on our Yetis. I love that it is a small way to recognize the other AND every time I look at the stickers on my Yeti I have another little reminder that my husband loves me and took time to find a set of stickers he thought I’d love (and he can do the same when he looks at his Yeti). For me it is not about the $, but it’s about the meaning, feeling, and reminder that I have worth, I am loved, I am safe, and I am absolutely deserving of feeling those things (lots of childhood trauma here…. I hate to say I need the reminders, but I’m not at the point where I don’t yet).

[–]Lycaeides13 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You could order stickers for your planned vacations too! Like if you know you're going to Oregon on the fall, you could pre-order stickers now.

[–]Frognosticator 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Legos on Valentine’s Day sounds amazing! That’s a great idea.

[–]Eco_Chamber 16 points17 points  (1 child)

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[–]IronJuno 141 points142 points  (0 children)

I’d be annoyed too. I like me and my husband’s system, which is just…communication. We’ll say to each other, “I am seriously out of ideas this year” or “I want something special” and we’ll set our expectations accordingly. If we find something special when we decided to forgo gifts, again, we’ll communicate.

I will admit though, it took some time to get there, because my husband did have the “Is she hinting??” reaction at first. Nope, listen to the words coming out of my mouth.

[–]BitterJim 144 points145 points  (3 children)

The most annoying thing (and something that a certain group of commenters is missing/ignoring) is that if he was hellbent on pampering you he could have done it WITHOUT spending a ton of money and screwing up your savings goal. Like if he wanted to get you sweets without spending a ton, he could just get your favorite (inexpensive) treat or make you something. Basically just spend his time and thought on you instead of money.

[–]montybo2 64 points65 points  (0 children)

100%. A few days ago my gf and I remembered V-day was coming up and we both decided we didnt care about it and didnt want to do gifts. Yesterday I was in target getting some cat food and saw a like a valentines day themed "gingerbread" (its like sugar cookie or something) house for literally like 5 dollars. Shes a Midwestern craft loving nerd so I knew she would like it so I got it.

It didn't break the bank and didn't betray our agreement because its something for us to do together. OP's husband could have easily found something cheap and thoughtful if he really wanted to get OP a gift. I think a lot of men still have that high school guy mentality of thinking "women play games and dont say what they mean..." which is an entirely other issue that I'm sure we could go on about for a loooong time.

[–]xtaberry 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Exactly. You can make a grand gesture with some Reese's cups and dollar store tea candles. He could make a really nice meal for her with regular ingredients that are not more than what they usually buy, but with extra time and effort applied. Plan a hike or picnic. Do that stubborn household task that's been pestering both of you. Set up a movie night where you watch her favorite movie. There's so many ways to do something romantic on a budget or for free.

[–]Ok_Skill_1195 93 points94 points  (3 children)

Unfortunately the whole "let's not doing anything" (but really we're doing something) has become super normalized for Valentine's day and 90% of the time the other person is secretly happy they didn't follow the promise. If your husband ran the plan by anyone, they probably encouraged him

I agree it's dumb especially since he knows you guys specifically are saving for something . I wonder if you can return the jewelry?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I would say 95% of the time lol. I get being annoyed by an expensive gift. But personally I don't know anyone who wouldn't light up after being surprised by their SO on Valentine's Day. Even if the agreement was to "keep it low key" it still makes you feel special.

[–]realstareyes 487 points488 points  (45 children)

Honestly, the people who insulted you are idiots who value a man‘s wishes over a woman‘s boundary.

You didn’t do anything wrong and shouldn’t have to feel bad about it.

EDIT: It‘s also infuriating how they refuse to believe a woman‘s judgement and act as if a woman is incapable of making such choices and sticking with them. Women aren‘t children!

[–]Call-Me-Risley[S] 223 points224 points  (40 children)

Your edit hit the nail on the head. I haaaate this tired old trope of women being unable to communicate what they want. The whole "What do you want to eat tonight?" "Oh, I don't care, anything" while secretly knowing exactly what they want but refusing to say it sort of thing.

Reminds me of when I was in college and my friend showed me a video of Joe Rogan doing standup, and the bit was about how the only reason women cook for their boyfriends is in order to trap them, and guys should watch out when their bro starts bringing around cookies that his girlfriend baked because soon he'll be whipped and they'll lose their buddy. My friend was like "hahaha, isn't it so funny how he's got us all figured out?"

No, girl. This might be a /you/ thing but it's not an /all women/ thing. Cannot relate. But there are enough women who genuinely do act that way to the point that it becomes a stereotype for all women.

[–]Zamboniqueen 236 points237 points  (32 children)

To add to the whole “what do you want to eat/I don’t care” theme. The reason I say “Oh, I don’t care” is because I’m sick and tired of having to make that fucking decision every single day. I do meal planning for my family as a way to help reduce shopping costs, so on the nights that I decide I’m not cooking if you ask my what we’re going to eat I will punch you in your face. It’s not fair to put the burden of making every single fucking decision on me. Make a suggestion and then make it happen. I’m fucking tired.

[–]LewsTherinIsMine 104 points105 points  (3 children)

Right. If you want to do something nice for me then take my job if always having to figure out wtf we are going to eat. You’re not doing me any favors by saying “what/ where do you want to eat”. Just make a decision. Because I know that if I have to figure out what to eat from the kitchen I WILL HAVE TO RUMMAGE THE CUPBOARDS, FIND THE THING AND THEN MAYBE EVEN BABYSIT YOU WHILE YOU FUCKING COOK BECAUSE YOU WILL BE UP MY ASS PRETENDING YOU CAN NOT READ BASIC INSTRUCTIONS. But if you pick it out then chances are you will actually give me a night off of dinner duty.

[–]=^..^=desdemona_d 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Ugh. If I could farm out any task in life, it would be someone to make the meal plans and buy the groceries. It's my most hated chore.

[–]Matt0071895 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I’ll trade. I can meal plan/cook all day but I can’t stand doing the dishes after 😂

[–]uraniumstingray 12 points13 points  (2 children)

The reason I say it is because my formative years were spent trying to figure out if the place I wanted to eat was “too expensive” because if I mentioned it and it was, I’d get yelled at for trying to bankrupt the family or something. So I stopped telling people where it is I actually want to eat.

[–]red wine and popcornsuziesunshine17 43 points44 points  (6 children)

Yep! That’s the Mental Load and a lot of women get stuck with the vast majority of it in a relationship.

[–]kat_a_klysm 27 points28 points  (5 children)

My husband found that comic and immediately apologized to me. He’s been trying to take some of the mental load off me now, but it’s not an easy process lol

[–]AnonymousRooster 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Have you tried those Fair Play cards? I listened to an interview on them, and they sound super helpful for these situations

[–]kat_a_klysm 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I hadn’t heard of those, but it looks like an interesting idea. I’ll bring it up to him tonight.

[–]Call-Me-Risley[S] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Which is fine! What you're describing is markedly different from what I'm talking about, because you genuinely don't care and just want someone else to make the decision.

I'm talking about situations where they say they don't care but secretly do, and they dance through this whole guessing game before the other party lands on the choice they wanted all along. Instead of just saying "Yeah, I want this thing."

[–]Zamboniqueen 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I understand what you’re saying. I was just piggybacking off of the idea and went on my own tangent. I didn’t mean to hijack your comment - your point is totally valid!

[–]Shewhohasroots 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Fair disclosure, I am and pretty much almost always have dated a woman. Do you not talk about that? Like do you not say “man, making these decision is exhausting, it’s a burden to always have to. Why don’t you make these decisions today or half the time?” Or does he not listen at all and you’ve told him? Or is it weaponized incompetence? I... just cannot imagine having a partner that would disregard me in that way, and feel awful that you do.

[–]Zamboniqueen 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yes, we communicate very well. My SO is a fantastic person who works very hard both in regard to our relationship and their personal life. I don’t really mind doing the meal planning etc. My comment was in reference to the times when I don’t (I.e. SO will say “You don’t have to cook if you’re not up to it. Let’s just go out or get takeout.” It’s at these times that I get frustrated because I’m still expected to handle the choice of going out/ordering. SO just doesn’t even realize that it’s still all me. But you know what? I don’t want to have to explain that anymore. So I just say “I don’t know/I don’t care” because having to explain to anyone that you’re tired of making all the decisions is just as exhausting as just making the decisions.

[–]FlossieRaptor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I once told my husband that I wanted an evening of making no decisions so he'd have to "be me" for the night. I had to explain to him exactly what went into making a successful, straightforward evening at home for the two of us and it didn't quite go to plan as he still kept asking me my opinion (roast potatoes or mash? shall we watch the crime drama or the reality show? would you like a brew? what time shall we go to bed?) to which I kept having to remind him that I wasn't doing decisions.

The second time we did it was almost perfect and astonishingly restful because he'd made me a little laminated flag to hold up if he forgot and asked me something.

[–]kat_a_klysm 8 points9 points  (2 children)

That was me a year-ish ago. Meal planning is something I absolutely hate bc no one gives input, so it’s all on me. We started doing a meal kit service for 5 dinners and the amount of stress I don’t have it incredible. And with inflation as it is, it’s actually cheaper than the grocery store. $110/week for 5 meals with 4 servings isn’t much, especially since you get everything you need aside from pantry staples (flour, sugar, salt, pepper, etc). Plus the meals are really good.

[–]Zamboniqueen 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I did the meal kit dinner thing for a while too but ultimately it was still me who had to choose the meals and make sure everything was ordered in time. I enjoyed it for a while but it ended up being too expensive for us (for our family size). It was fun for a while, though :)

[–]kat_a_klysm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Understandable. Picking the meals and whatnot is still all on me, but it’s way easier on me to have 12-15 choices to pick from than the infinite options making my own menu. I hope you’ve found something that works for you 💜

[–]Eco_Chamber 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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[–]B4cteria 3 points4 points  (0 children)

😭😭😭you say it so eloquently! I need to remember this

[–]RawbeardX 22 points23 points  (1 child)

"Oh, I don't care, anything" while secretly knowing exactly what they want but refusing to say it sort of thing.

I do that kind of thing. often. because I cannot stand the thought of imposing my interests on others. not a great strategy, tbh. I would not be surprised if women who do that are not playing a secret game of "read my mind" but literally have been conditioned by societal expectations that their wants and needs are secondary at best.

do I have to turn in my man card?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly, conditioning is the answer.

[–]dreamqueen9103 59 points60 points  (2 children)

Redditors think the fucking worst of women. Anything a woman does is trying to trick a man, steal from a man, create a fight, get pregnant, or be difficult. Clearly women have no motivation whatsoever except wanting to trick men.

[–]SauronOMordor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If women say what they want, they're being demanding.

If they say they don't want anything, they're being manipulative.

If they make less money than a man, or stay home to raise kids, they're trying to take his money.

If they make more money than the man, they're emasculating him.

If they bring up something that's bothering them, they're starting a fight or nagging.

If they keep their feelings to themselves, they're expecting men to be mind readers.

It's fucking ridiculous and I have no patience for that nonsense. Fortunately, real men out in the real world who understand that women are people exist and I have lots of them in my life, but holy fuckin hell is the internet a cesspool!

[–]RawbeardX 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It‘s also infuriating how they refuse to believe a woman‘s judgement and act as if a woman is incapable of making such choices and sticking with them. Women aren‘t children!

I have some bad news for you. at least as to how a lot of the "man sphere" views women. and it is not "as people" on any level. even children might have more capacity for thought than a "foid" (do not ask me to explain that one, just know it stands in for "woman"). are all these guys like that? probably not. but once some group think gets going, they tend to align around these kind of values even if taken on their own that would never cross their minds.

boys will be boys, amirite?

[–]mamalmw 173 points174 points  (4 children)

You are not in the wrong. While it was sweet of your husband to spoil you he did not honor the agreed upon wishes. I would feel exactly the same as you…guilty. My husband and I have never been big on holidays in general and especially Hallmark holidays. We don’t even do cards bc I think they are a waste of paper. Now I will aways get a little something for our kids but between us we don’t exchange. This morning I saw he did not get me anything and was I mad? No! I wasn’t bc that’s our understanding. If he had gotten me some candy fine I’ll take it bc I love candy but to blow the budget on an expensive gift I would’ve returned it. 😆 bottom line is your husband was simultaneously being sweet but disrespectful of your savings goal.

[–]Frognosticator 66 points67 points  (3 children)

I think the best way to handle this situation is by… talking about it some more.

OP says husband is good with money, except when it comes to giving her gifts. People express love in different ways, and to me this says gift-giving is a really important part of his communication of love to OP.

All in all, that’s a good thing. But obviously, ignoring OP’s stated desires is a bad thing. :/

Seems like there might need to be a compromise here. OP may need to agree that gifts are just going to be a regular and important part of their relationship. At the same time, husband can agree to tone it down and stay within a budget.

We don’t know OP’s financial situation. Things may be different if they’re struggling to put food on the table. But this doesn’t seem like the kind of issue to get really mad over. Given some of the relationship stuff we’ve seen posted on here, it’s practically cute.

Edit: Sounds like it all worked out for OP! Very happy to hear that.

[–]grubas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's very cute, but also infuriating because you feel like you are attacking them for a positive gesture.

But talking should always be the first stop, the question is viable solutions. I'd say let him put some money away in a solo account so it's "out of sight out of mind" for OP, but that's just a suggestion. The two people in the relationship need to figure it out.

[–]Matt0071895 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well… that was a much better way of phrasing it than I managed. (Also, it’s good advice that I also needed to hear. Thanks for that)

[–]crafty_giraffe 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Seems like an honest conversation is in order. Thanks for the gifts but this savings goal is way more important and the reasons you are upset. Enjoy the chocolate, return the jewelry, and hopefully a lesson learned.

[–]Beccaroni7 43 points44 points  (2 children)

Ugh, I get this. I blame commercialism. There are so many ads that literally say “if she says she wants nothing, she’s lying!!” It’s infuriating. Listen to your partners!!!!

I’d honestly tell him how angry/hurt this makes you. I know people say to be grateful for gifts, but you specifically discussed this, and he went against explicit wishes, leaving you on your heels. You’re not being a brat, you’re being ignored and overruled. Those are very different things to be upset about.

[–]Judge_Sea 59 points60 points  (2 children)

Redditors disregarding what you wrote and trying to gaslight into thinking you are wrong in this situation is very on brand for reddit.

[–]International-Fee255 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I would be annoyed too. Had a discussion with my partner about no stupid expensive flowers for valentine's because I hate a forced celebration and we love each other the same on Valentines day as any other so no need. But he wanted to do something so now we do weird household things I would never actually spend money on: am I now the proud owner of a set of fondant icing cutters in the shape of a hippo and a giraffe, that I will NEVER use, yes I am and it's way better than flowers. I wonder if husband can even fathom how annoyed you are that you won't be meeting that savings goal this month or did he just think he was doing something nice/ something he does every year?

[–]All Hail Notorious RBGkiwibird1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is a no-win situation when it comes down to it. If you say no to gifting then "it's a trap!", or you're "ungrateful", or "cheap". But if you ask for a gift you're "greedy", or "a gold digger", or "materialistic".

A lot of people focus on the gift or no gift part, rather than the "we set an expectation and you knowingly violated it" part.

[–]nate1208 27 points28 points  (2 children)

I've definitely made very stupid emotional purchases in the name of wanting to make my wife happy, even full well knowing she would be happy with less.

In terms of savings, how my wife and I handle it is this. Our finances are entirely separate, we don't believe in getting permission to buy things we want for ourselves, anything bought for the house is split even or based on want i.e we had a perfectly good nearly new rug, my wife wanted a new $500 rug, she paid for it herself and didn't ask for money. Alternatively, we had a perfectly good comfortable couch, I wanted a fancy reclining $1,000 l one and I paid for it myself without asking for money.

BUT

We have a strict 13% of every paycheck gets saved/invested rule. IF either of is not able to hit that for a month the other expects brutal honesty about why. If you can't adjust your next months savings to make up for the previous month where you were short, then we sit down together to essentially audit spending and see why it's happening, and then make a plan.

I know it sounds business-like but when we do it like this there are no arguments about finances. Everything is out on the table, everyone is accountable for their share. Importantly, nobody is shamed for big purchases or impulse buys because we know honesty just leads to problem solving together. This also works because neither my wife nor I are spenders to the point where we're going to buy some wild $20,000 purchase on a whim and also are comfortable financially.

Edit: I'll add another reason this works is we make relatively the same within 5-20k depending on how business goes for me. This would be an unfair system if one of us made 50k more than the other.

[–]AndrysThorngage 21 points22 points  (2 children)

My husband and I have been together for 18 years and I don't particularly care for Valentine's day. Every year, I reassure him that I do not want overpriced roses, I do not need any more jewelry, and that no matter how much marketing is thrown at him, I do not require stuffed animals, chocolate covered strawberries, or anything else.

Our plan tonight is to drink the wine I bought for less than $10 at the grocery store, eat some of our kids' leftover chocolate, and play our video game.

It's hard, though, because he's being bombarded with messages and advertising telling him to shower me with useless stuff on this day. His love language is gestures. He also had a mother who would say she didn't need anything and then pout about not getting anything. He's a little twitchy on this day every year.

[–]SoulMetaKnight 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly. That’s what I have what I was thinking when I first read this. No matter how much he knew she didn’t want anything, the capitalist society we live under is going to tell him that he needs to buy stuff because if he doesn’t then he’s a horrible person who doesn’t truly love his wife. And on top of that there’s the stereotype of “if she says she doesn’t want a gift, then get her a gift anyways because she actually wants one.”

[–]AnonymousRooster 19 points20 points  (0 children)

My bf and I never do Valentines day and are saving for a big purchase. If he messed with our savings to buy me a gift, I'd be flat out mad.

[–]Italianinsomniac 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Valentine’s Day is a capitalist “holiday” meant to force people to spend money in order to show affection. It also others single people and makes them feel less than because they didn’t get some chocolate. Complete bullshit. I refuse to participate on principle, and so does my husband. Your saving goals are way more important than an Instagram post showing off an extravagant gift, so I completely understand why you aren’t happy about this, especially since this is a pattern. It may be worth understanding why he feels the need to shower you with gifts. It’s not even a love language thing as the extravagance of the gift doesn’t come into play to show love in that respect.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Spending money is not equal to love! My husband bought me expensive flowers a few times and although they were beautiful, it was a very pretty waste of $. Some like getting flowers while others don’t. My husband has come to realize I am a frugal lady and with a nice bouquet costing $40 and up around these parts, I don’t want it. My husband knows what I prefer and We both are trying to save (like you). We prefer to grow flowers in the summer and admire their beauty in our garden. But our society/vday culture makes it seem like you have to do these things. Heck, even my husband asked yesterday “babe, you sure you don’t want flowers?” Nooo, I don’t! There was a time awhile back he even said “you know, most girls would appreciate if their husband did a nice thing like get flowers, and I replied, yea but who is it a nice gift for if the person getting them really didn’t want or prefer them? What your husband did was giving an inconsiderate gift.

[–]recyclopath_ 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I buy myself flowers sometimes. The $3.99 ones from Trader Joes.

It's nice to have flowers around but the cost of them is bonkers.

[–]uraniumstingray 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Grocery store flowers are my favorite flowers

[–]sudoRmRf_Slashstar 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You're the kind of person that states honestly and unequivocally what you want.

Men: what kind of game is that??

[–]Glatog 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This is one of my challenges. We've been together over two decades and I still run into this. And he's really bad at getting things he thinks I will like but almost always misses the mark. I love animals. I love the ocean. Therefore I love ocean animals. I did not love the dolphin themed shower curtain or the whale throw pillows he gave me in the beginning.

I can't complain to other people because they always say it's the thought that counts. True, but if he really thinks about me and what I say then he wouldn't get crap just to give me crap.

And it isn't always cheap crap. I had specifically said there was something I didn't want because I strongly feel the cost wasn't worth it. So of course I got that for Christmas a year ago. The cost still isn't worth it. Now I have maintenance to deal with.

I've tried to get him to stop giving gifts because I'd rather we plan a trip together. I've been making progress on that the last several years. But this past Christmas he gave me something to take on the trip. Not something I want. Not something I need. If anyone else gave it to me I would just leave it at home. But now I will have to take this with us. I don't want to. I feel like I'm a petulant child and I get irritated when I'm put in this position.

[–]Quite_Successful 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Start returning the items instead. You don't need to keep them because they were gifted. You can say (nicely) how thoughtful it is but you'd prefer to have the savings back so you can enjoy a holiday together. Maybe he thinks you're lying because you keep the items?

One birthday I picked 1 item out of the 5 presented and the rest was returned. Felt much better.

[–]augustrem 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Honestly it’s just nice to have someone post about normal, everyday, easily resolved conflict within a healthy positive relationship.

This place can be a bummer sometimes so your anecdote was nice.

[–]ActivelyAvoidingYou 23 points24 points  (0 children)

We're either liars or we're liars, according to the great mouth breathers of Reddit.

I remember some sage women-blaming advice I got at the beginning of my relationship: "Men can't read your mind; communicate your expectations explicitly." I've followed that advice by being honest and forthcoming with my expectations for the past seven years, and the man still doesn't listen, continuing to spend way too much on gifts.

I used to feel guilty for him spending the money, and also selfish for not appreciating it enough. Now, I'm at the point where I'm done being treated like some crazy, selfish, manipulative woman who needs to learn to communicate better by society, when that's clearly not the case.

[–]PurpleDancer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It might help cement the fuck up to have him return the jewelry.

[–]Magnaflorius 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ugh I feel you. Thankfully my husband has never done this. It's such a common trope that any time I see it on TV or wherever, I bring up again that it's not true that saying "no gift" always means a wife is expecting a surprise. That's the dumbest mind game I've ever heard of.

Even if I got something I really wanted, I would be mad at my husband for 1) not taking me at face value when I've never lied or played games before and 2) lying to me. I know that normally, surprises don't count as a lie because it's in the interest of the surprise, but I would consider it a slight betrayal because he'd be ignoring over a decade of my stated wishes.

All the men who were badgering you about being ungrateful or whatever have fallen for this sexist trope. Women who do this are no better. Just say what you want! It doesn't have to be every time. If I told my husband I liked surprises, I would expect the occasional surprise, but could still be happily surprised on various occasions. But I've told him I don't, and I expect him to trust and believe that I know what I want, and don't want.

In the grand scheme of things, obviously your husband isn't the worst guy in the world, but what he did was wrong, even if it was with good intentions. I hope you can share that with him and he's able to see it.

[–]BillSixty9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My wife said no gifts this year. I was relieved because I’m broke, we’re going for a walk and spending the evening together instead

[–]ipreferanothername 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Now I feel like a shit wife with my paltry greeting card. And I feel a little annoyed that our savings goal won't be met this month because he broke our agreement - even though he only broke it in order to spoil me.

you two had an agreement that not only he broke...but that affects your finances. oof. it is pretty damn reasonable to be frustrated over that and to communicate as much.

[–]shrinkinglilac 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I would be so angry if my spouse did this. Not only did he ignore your agreement and wishes. He stole money from your shared finances and shared goals. I wish you luck dealing with finding any joy. In the future maybe acknowledge he loves to give gifts and set him a budget.

[–]Griffinsforest 40 points41 points  (3 children)

Blaming you as ungrateful is just a reverse tactic because these guys know they didn't care about your boundary. Giving you a gift to make them feel better instead of listening to you. You now have to be "grateful" for the gift and bear the mental load of "we didn't meet pur saving goal this month!!" And also, he lied to you to spoil you from money that was supposed to be used differently. And you didn't ask to be spoiled. This is theoretically not your responsibility. But since finance is your responsibility, he made you being spoilt your responsibility. All that is not okay. Nice and kind guy maybe but he put a burden on you with this.

[–]Call-Me-Risley[S] 37 points38 points  (2 children)

It's really not as sinister as that, not in this case at least. He doesn't expect anything in return, he won't make me feel bad for not being grateful. He's not that kind of man. All my feelings are my own, the result of past bad experiences. I could even tell him that he should return these items and I know he would do it, without even a sliver of a guilt trip. He's an honest, kind, generous person and he does this from a genuine place of love, certainly not any kind of subtle manipulation.

That said, I'm still going to talk to him about our previous agreement and make sure we're on the same page going forward. We agreed on low-key holidays this year in order to save, and I need to know he's going to honor that agreement in the future.

[–]#2Blessed2BStressedjustincase_2008 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I would say I appreciate the gift and the love from you today but like we talked about we had a agreement for our long term goal and i need to know we are on the same page going forward. And end it with another thank you for the gifts.

I'm the same way as your husband. On a whim ill get all mushy and lovey and want to spoil my SO even when i know i may get heat for it. Ill work extra time or do side jobs to make up for the cost burden later on. I called it my love debt.

[–]stephlock17 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are not being a spoiled brat. You are an adult in an adult partnership in which you and your partner made a goal and an agreement. Your partner did not honor that agreement. IT isn't the end of the world by any means but it is annoying.

Then--on top of being a normal amount of annoyed you have to deal with a bunch of jackwagons on the internet--I get why you're upset. Hopefully you and your husband get to chat it out and all is well. Ignore the losers who think they know you better than your husband does.

[–]anaerobic_gumball 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of a guy I dated years ago who I was only seeing for a week or so. I didn't want to do anything for Valentine's Day because I hate it and he gave me a very sweet, thoughtful bday gift not too long before, so it seemed excessive. I told him I didn't want to do anything and then someone we worked with told him that meant he should surprise me. So he took me to this wildly expensive restaurant and got me chocolates. We both felt super awkward the whole time and broke up about a week later. I resent our coworker to this day lmao.

Why the fuck can't people believe that we mean what we say when we say it?

[–]NighthawkUnicorn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Me and my husband agreed on this one year. He bought me chocolates. Now he always reminds me of the time I "forgot" valentines day and holy cow it makes me mad.

[–]TheOneInScrubs 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Just curious...had you guys discussed the plan for no gifts before you noticed the cash paid to his dad last month? In his defense, because it seems like you really don't think he did this maliciously, I wonder if he hadn't been planning this before you had your discussion, and it was too late to go back on it. (I bet he's realizing in hindsight he should have aborted the plan, lol).

In either case, if you truly want to stick to your plan/budget, return what you can (and enjoy the hell out of those chocolates). It will set your finances back towards where you want them, he can get his brownie points for being thoughtful, and hopefully he learned a valuable lesson...you're not being coy when you say that you don't want to exchange gifts...you're being serious. And also that forward planning, while maybe ruining a little bit of surprise, is necessary... especially when you guys have goals to meet.

[–]DocMondegreen 10 points11 points  (0 children)

To me, a big part of this is that your husband didn't believe you. Why should you feel good because he's calling you a liar? That may not have been the intent, but it's part of the impact.

[–]missvandy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m the same- I don’t like big gifts and surprises. I mean it when I tell my husband not to get anything, and it took him a while to believe me.

It helped telling him something small that I actually do want. for me it’s a cupcake :) we get a little bakery treat for holidays and I love it.

[–]cococats 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I am completely with you. Honestly I hate valentine's Day, the idea of kids giving out cards at school is a stupid popularity contest, then you get to late teens/ early adulthood and it's a pressure to be in a relationship or you're some sort of lesser being. Then you get into a nice solid relationship and it's some sort of test/ show to the rest of the world to 'prove' your relationship is worthy. Nah fuck all that, we do nothing to celebrate it and if my husband suddenly tried to make it a thing, I'd also not be super grateful

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[–]cococats 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I will add supermarkets here in the UK do great valentine's meal deals though so we're having 3 courses plus bottle of prosecco for £15. Thank you Sainsbury's!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is why we boycott valentine's day. Dumb day for corporate greed anyway. We just show our love throughout the year with random gifts and it's kind of our running joke.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My husband and I said no gifts as well. So instead he cleaned the entire house while I was gone and cut some early daffodils from the yard and put them in a champagne glass. I cooked him his absolute favorite (but technically difficult) meal & we had a “picnic” on the dining room floor. That’s is what a “no gifts” gift is, not a bank-busting display of wealth

[–]emeraldrose484 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My aunt and uncle don't buy cards, they just go to the store, read the cards, and hand the one(s) they like to each other. Then put them back.

It's ok to be both grateful your husband decided to get something and upset that he went against the "no gift" policy you set up. Your feelings are 100% valid.

[–]tenaseechick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Our anniversary is Valentine's day. It would have been 47 years today. We usually celebrated on a different day to avoid crowds. We didn't exchange gifts, we went out to eat at nice restaurants and stayed the night at nice hotels. He didn't get me flowers bc he brought me roses most Fridays when he picked me up and they charged double or triple on Valentine's day. I sure do miss him.

[–]her-vagesty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm confused, if he took the money out of your joint savings to pay for your gift, then it's not fully from him anyway. He bought you a gift you didn't want with half of your money. Or am I missing something?

[–]LtRecore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The guys claiming no gift means extravagant gift are the guys that have never spent a Valentine’s Day with a real girl and probably never spent any day with a real girl. Contrary to incel logic most people aren’t into these silly games.

[–]Vertoule 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We said nothing this year.

I come home to a fancy craft beer, my favourite snacks and my beautiful wife had even picked up a new flavour of sparkling water for me…

I… I brought home shit all and some back pain.

Apparently it was a thank you for really stepping up and helping her out with her friend visiting us this past weekend, so I’ll take it even though I was initially a bit gutted that she had gone back on our deal. I can at least see that it was a thank you. It wasn’t particularly expensive, so I guess it didn’t go against our saving goals either.

I love her to bits!

[–]MongooseDog001 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm the bread winner and I HATE when my husband buys me gifts. I wish he would just agree to not get eachother gifts, but he likes getting them. Fine, but please don't blow money I earned buying some dumb shit for me that i don't want and can't throw out for at least an other year.

We're having problems with our house that are quite expensive. Let's just save money for that

[–]Bergenia1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In your situation, I'd thank him for the kind thought, and remind him that you had mutually agreed on no gifts. There's nothing to be done about the expensive flowers, but ask him to return the jewelry at least.

[–]Abisaurus[🍰] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’ve been in your position more than once (with same guy). Be unapologetically hurt and disappointed. They aren’t being considerate, respectful partners when they do this. They are chasing their own ego high/dopamine hits.

Maybe he didn’t mean to set you up to feel like a fool, but that’s what he did. He could have communicated beforehand that he’s making a choice to spoil you, doesn’t want reciprocation, and oh yeah, are you cool with not meeting your joint savings goals this month?

His behavior has undermined your trust in his word.

[–]rustoof 4 points5 points  (0 children)

  1. You are absolutely not a shit wife. I guarantee he is proud and pleased with the card.

  2. He did something stupid. If you explain hopefully he will understand and apologize.

  3. Tricking someone into thinking “we’re not doing gifts” and then getting them gifts is pretty selfish because you get all the joy of giving without feeling the obligation. The possibility exists he feels like a shitty bad husband for whatever reason and this is his (foolish) try to be better.

[–]KeyPattern3222 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Are you Diane Nguyen and Mr. Peanutbutter?

[–]depression_quirk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol I was looking for this comment

[–]divinearcanum 7 points8 points  (0 children)

First of all, I'm so sorry that men ripped into you like that. There's still this mentality that women don't mean what they say. I had to work with my husband early on to try and unlearn that mentality. When I say "I want xx" I MEAN IT.

You're not a bad person for feeling upset. What he did was break your trust. And now that trust is compromised so of course you would be upset! Especially when you're the one paying the bills (I am also the person in the relationship who manages that).

I'm so sorry ;-; I really hope that you feel better soon and just remember that you're not a bad person for feeling this way and these feelings are valid!

[–]Maerchenmord 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yeah, he did a dumbdumb, but you know... As long as the bills are paid, it doesn't maneuver you into deep waters, and it's not a constant issue: Don't stay annoyed. It's good to have goals and work towards them but tomorrow might never come and it's also important to cherish the present.

I don't think he wanted to stomp over your boundaries. He probably just loves you and went overboard. People make mistakes but if it comes from a place of love, maybe it doesn't need all the outrage I read here.

Idk, I just think in a relationship, this is the sort of mistake that can be met with kindness.

[–]Brunell4070 2 points3 points  (0 children)

agree agree

[–]They/ThemMistakenMorality 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So not only did he not listen to your express wishes, he blew a bunch of money when he knows y'all are saving??

Like, my partner has gotten me things when I've said "no gifts" but it's shit like a $10 stuffed animal or another cocktail book for our collection.

[–]siredgar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Male perspective here, please pardon the intrusion if unwanted.

I just wanted to echo other thoughts here, from my perspective, he invalidated the agreement you two had and put you on uneven footing on how the two of you expressed how you feel about each other today. He may have felt he was surprising you, but what he did ignored your mutual long-term goal and your wishes. I don't know him, but he might need that spelled out for him to understand it. Partners honor their agreements with one another.

$20 worth of flowers from the grocery store, strawberries, and chocolate to melt and dip them in and 1 hour of his time (or whatever similar low-cost higher-effort thing would be what you would enjoy), and he could have surprised you without invalidating your feelings and agreement. It would have been more than a card, but not over-the-top.

You're not a bad wife with your greeting card, and you're not ungrateful. Don't let Internet strangers gaslight you or make you doubt yourself. :)