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[–]TelevisionGloomy5458 1677 points1678 points  (104 children)

You’ll have a clean house when you get rid of him. If he has 50/50 custody, he will be forced to cook, clean and take care of the kids on his week. You get half the year to yourself

[–]sanityjanity 11 points12 points  (0 children)

No. If he has 50% custody, he will neglect the kids when he has them, and try to find another woman to care for them.

[–]snowmuchgood 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s worth remembering that the useless, neglectful husband getting 50% custody is terrifying to many women and is actually what stops many from leaving. I wouldn’t blame OP for feeling the same, many/most men don’t step up even when they “have to”.

[–]e2theitheta 575 points576 points  (0 children)

Your children are learning about how they deserve to be treated from him, from the way he treats you and them. Please get some help, get stronger and leave him.

[–]Bean-Of-Doom 295 points296 points  (3 children)

Considering my husband was locked in his gaming room for a whole year, refusing to spend time with me or eat meals with me, was in love with a gamer friend he never met IRL, lying about his relationship with her, and getting mad at me whenever I asked for attention or brought up my concerns, yes I am happier post-divorce.

[–]damnpinkertons 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Was he "shocked" when you asked for your divorce? 

[–]Bean-Of-Doom 25 points26 points  (0 children)

His response was "I love both of you" then tried to blame me

[–]FaithlessnessDear804 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Congrats! I know life is more peaceful ☺️

[–]xMasochizm 359 points360 points  (0 children)

I’m poor, I work two jobs 7 days a week, I never rest. But I’m a hell of a lot happier than when I was a “stay at home wife” making no income, completely dependant on an abusive asshole who also had the nerve to expect half of what little I did have, despite tripling whatever income I made at my best. I now have the freedom to be myself, eat when I want, come and go when I want, take time for myself, see my friends and family, and don’t have to explain why I decided to have a burger for lunch or get drunk on a fucking Wednesday. I also have a car now, live in a decent condo, and just get to exist in fucking peace.

[–]Bundt-lover 294 points295 points  (0 children)

So when you leave the house, he neglects and endangers the children? An infant and a toddler?

Time for a divorce.

[–]zombiemadre 221 points222 points  (6 children)

I’ve never met a women who regretted getting divorced

[–]Eireannlo 79 points80 points  (4 children)

I didnt want the divorce. I wanted to stay married. I thought life was over.

After all was done even i can admit he did me a favour, im so much happier than i ever could have been staying in a marriage that wasn't working. Life is good now and without resentment my ex and i can be friends again and coparent.

I second zombiemadre's comment

[–]zombiemadre 31 points32 points  (3 children)

I didn’t want to get divorced either. But I’m grateful he forced my hand.

[–]appricaught 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Same! Didn't want it - fought to keep it - THRILLED it happened.

[–]chocolatecorvette 4 points5 points  (1 child)

11 years later and I still miss the life I lost. But I'm still grateful he forced my hand and I'm much better off financially because I make way better choices for myself than when I was trying to feed the whims of a man-child.

[–]helpitgrow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel this to my bones.

[–]Curious_Lettuce1076 56 points57 points  (1 child)

This sounds exactly like my dad and his dynamic with my mum. My mum left my dad after about 20 years of marriage and she is absolutely thriving. She is so much happier in every way and so are we. She was a shell of a person when she was with him, she is so much more confident now. She did all the housework and was basically a single parent to us, and was exhausted all the time. He has very right-wing views too and spoke of women with vitriol. He had anger issues too and it really affected us kids. It's been five years since we left and it was the best decision she ever made, for all of us. Her then vs now, it's like night and day.

[–]ImportantImplement9[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry you all had to experience that. But I'm happy to read you're all in a better situation now. That is important and so meaningful!

[–]Helpful_Hour1984 241 points242 points  (13 children)

I can't imagine how you couldn't be happier without this lazy excuse for a human.

Financial ruin? He'll either take 50% custody (and will have to actually do some goddamn parenting), or he'll pay you child support. Possibly both, depending on your respective incomes. Talk to a lawyer.

Upheaval of your kids' lives? You mean the kids who go hungry every time they're left in his care? The oldest kid who is begging him to help because she (it's a girl, isn't it?) is parentified and burned out from doing his work? The baby who gets a diaper rash because their shitstain of a father can't be bothered to change a diaper? The kids who are watching and learning that it's ok for mom to carry all the load and dad can just enjoy life as if they don't even exist. Those kids?!! What more upheaval could they face if you take him out of the equation and use some of the child support to pay for actual help around the house?

My mother thought she couldn't manage without my sorry excuse for a father. Because he convinced her that she couldn't, that she was weak and stupid. So she hung on until we were grown and out of the house, then she finally left. Guess what? She thrived! And looking back, she agrees that she/we could've made it work much earlier and spared all of us a lot of grief.

[–]ted_mielczarek 98 points99 points  (2 children)

Just for information: even with 50/50 custody, in Pennsylvania I pay my ex-wife child support because my income is higher than hers. There's a formula that takes the number of children, % of custody, and each party's income and produces the support amount. I don't have a problem with this, they're my kids and I want them to have what they need regardless of which parent they're with.

[–]OutOfTheAshesMMXXIV 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Thank you for this. Go you! I will never understand men who don't want to support THEIR OWN CHILDREN after divorce. Like wtf?

[–]ImportantImplement9[S] 84 points85 points  (7 children)

Ugh, is sucks reading the truth 😞

I actually have all girls. Something he has told me over the years regarding work is that I'm more useful at home taking care of the kids vs. going to work. Because then we'd have to pay for childcare in whatever form.

I get that sometimes it doesn't make sense to work only to have to send your paycheck directly to childcare. But I've been saying I want to work, in any capacity, even just part-time for the last few years.

But he has never been supportive. Ever. "Well if I have to travel, then how are you going to handle that? You can't work while I'm gone" etc.

Granted, I did want to be a stay-at-home mom, I just thought that he'd want to be just as into parenting as me.

Why I didn't see it all sooner, I don't know. This summer it really hit me when I saw all that shit messages he was sending about women. Was already way too late..

[–]Helpful_Hour1984 78 points79 points  (1 child)

Something he has told me over the years regarding work is that I'm more useful at home taking care of the kids vs. going to work. 

My father convinced my mom with exactly the same argument. She had a job all her life, then was let go when the company went out of business. He convinced her not to look for another job, saying he could support all of us and she could be more useful at home (although us kids were already in school and even old enough to walk ourselves there and back, we had keys to the home and were used to being home alone until our parents arrived). It only took months until he started financially abusing her. He expected her to be home anytime he was, and he'd throw a tantrum if she went to visit her parents and he happened to come home early and she wasn't there. Nevermind going out with friends, she literally had no social life. He expected his favorite food on the table every day, but nickel and dimed her every time she asked for grocery money. He berated her for hours when she got new glasses without asking his permission, even though she chose the cheapest frames (and a few months later, he got himself two pairs of new glasses and picked much more expensive frames). I could go on and on. It just got worse with every year that passed.

[–]dcgradc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My only aunt left is 81. Her husband 85 is the biggest jerk. And very sick. He sold a few properties and she never saw the money. She had to call her brother for help bc he wanted to sell where they lived.

He once called my father to cover for him! My dad refused loudly and hated him from that day on or even before bc of his beautiful sister. He is persona not gratta in the building they live .

Same story about having to fight for $$ for groceries. They live in Colombia and I visit often. He has never told her any info about his finances. He even refuses to tell her his salary . But she knows bc he was in the navy so it's standard . He wasn't made Admiral bc he fucked his bosses wife or someone who had power over him. You can't understand this from looking at him. He had the audacity to ask her what would happen to the maid. He doesn't care about his wife but worries about the maid.

[–]BoneHugsHominy 34 points35 points  (0 children)

As someone who was once a kid in a home much like yours, my sister and I begged my mother almost every week to divorce and leave him but she simply would not being old fashioned and unsure of how she would make it without a dual income. I at 49 years old am the soul surviving child of those two individuals and have been for almost 15 years, and it's rather lonely not having siblings anymore. Read into that what you wish but your children are already on a dark path, and if you do nothing to resolve it their lives are coin flip at this point.

[–]bopperbopper 17 points18 points  (0 children)

So maybe now you start looking for a job. Even if you’re sending all your money to daycare, you’re getting Social Security credit, your gonna be working and maybe get promoted one day and getting increased in your salary then you’re gonna prepare yourself for when you get divorced.

Or maybe you work at a school so you’re on the same time schedule as the kids .

[–]dcgradc 9 points10 points  (0 children)

With his attitude towards women he shouldn't be around his daughters

[–]DoMilk 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The thing is, if you start working, even if most of that money goes to child care, you are still building a career again, which is investing in yourself and your ability to support yourself better in the long run.

He doesn't care about that because he isn't damaged by you having no career. That's something that only benefits you in his eyes.

[–]-FineWeather 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Absolutely talk to a lawyer. Many of us assume we'll just go from having financial support to no financial support if we leave. But both parents are held responsible for supporting the kids they chose to bring into the world by the state after divorce, and that means it's not you who has to try to constantly cajole your partner into contributing - it's laid out in legal documentation, with consequences for failure.

[–]cool. coolcoolcool.BurbNBougie 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Right now you're a married single mom. You're stress level will decrease tremendously once you finally become a divorced mom. These dudes are the worst PR for marriage. If he won't participate with your family, he doesn't deserve y'all.

[–]Itsnottreasonyet 105 points106 points  (0 children)

The unknown can be scary. But your known sounds horrible. Better is waiting for you 

[–]ToastyCrumb 93 points94 points  (0 children)

I am only disappointed I didn't set proper boundaries and leave sooner in my case. I am definitely finding more authentic happiness and self-determination now.

The transition is temporary upheaval but prolonging the dysfunction and neglect would be worse for you and the kids.

[–]DarbyGirl 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Yes. The resentment you carry is a big weight on your shoulders and it will be such a relief when you are on your own and don't have to look at him in instant anger anymore. It'll be hard but it's a different hard.

[–]Powered-by-Chai 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I mean, sounds like you'll lose a bit of income, but you'd also lose a LOT of stress. Seems like a win to me.

[–]SpiderMadonna 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Definitely happier post-divorce. Me and the kids. It wasn’t easy, but it was harder overall before. And lonliness is much worse when there’s someone standing right in front of you not seeing you.

Financially, you should theoretically be splitting everything 50-50, and child support comes in as well, so get a decent lawyer to be on your side and walk you through it.

Deep breath. Try to stay focused on your overall goal/wish for you and your kids.

[–]iron_annie 49 points50 points  (3 children)

Your situation sounds a lot like mine. When I realized this was who he was and he had no desire to ever change, I filed for divorce. That was four years ago, and while it was hard, very hard, I am now the happiest I have ever been in my life, and am now engaged to an incredible and kind man who loves to spoil me. Happiness is out there, if you should choose to pursue it. But you already know what your life will look like if you stay. 

[–]ImportantImplement9[S] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

I'm so sorry.

I think what you said is spot on. We got together so young, we were only teenagers. We never dated anyone else before each other. We've had more of our lives together than apart. We have gone through a large portion of our lives together, for better or worse.

We've had challenges and triumphs.

But lately it has just been all sadness to me.

I hope you're in a better, more loving situation now 💗

[–]dcgradc 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Sounds like it went downhill with having kids .

He's not fit to be a father. Neglect is a sign that he doesn't love them .

[–]ImportantImplement9[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He always snaps back and says he was watching them and taking care of them and that the diaper thing is so weird because he knows he changed them. But I know that my little baby doesn't get a diaper rash from consistently changed diapers. My little one has to be sitting in poop for a while before that'll take hold. So I guess he just thinks I'm a dummy..

I've also caught him multiple times in the basement while the kids are upstairs - I've confronted him each time and said you can't do that, not with the toddler and baby, at least.. it's always, "I'll be right back" or "I won't be long" and then 1-2 hours later (when I'm present, at least) but I don't know when I'm not around.

[–]TinyTerrorTrina 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Not gonna lie, the divorce process was rough. Figuring out the logistics of how I was going to afford things, structure everything was tough. The mental and emotional recovery, also rough. But once all of that settles, for me within 6 months, you feel such joy. I started figuring out who I was again, how I deserve to be treated, my kids were happier, I was able to care for them even better because I wasn't dependent on somebody who refused to help. You gain so much more control of your life, stop being angry about that person who is supposed to be your partner continuously failing you and your kids.

I hate how your husband is your kids' example of how a man is supposed to be, how that's what a father is. Because he's failing them in both regards and they don't deserve that.

I would leave him because of the child neglect at minimum. That's not okay. You know that's not okay. And nothing you say will change him. Talk to a lawyer before you talk to your husband, see what your options are. You deserve more.

[–]fishtanktreasure 16 points17 points  (0 children)

As a single mom now of two kids who was married for 9 years, I’m infinitely more happy now. It rocks not having an angry man in my house anymore.

[–]_catsandcoffee_ 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You will be free.

[–]TangledUpPuppeteer 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Mine was 20 years. The last five were excruciatingly difficult, primarily because I never felt so alone as I did when he was in the room, his alcoholism, and also a ton of other life stuff just on top.

I stayed because I loved him.

Then he announced that he wanted something I didn’t want, and I gave him 48 hours to really think about it. He still wanted it, I moved out the next day.

I can honestly say, I’ve never been so happy in my entire life. It’s been almost 5 years, and seriously, I’m truly happy.

You deserve to be happy too. With him or without him, it’s ok to chase your own happiness.

[–]IreneAnne16 14 points15 points  (0 children)

My mom left my dad with three traumatized kids, a huge dog, $50 that she borrowed from someone, and a car her grandma had given her. She hadn't had a job in over a decade, she had no money, and we were quasi homeless for a year staying with some very unsafe individuals. She worked her ass off and bought us a home, has supported her kids financially and emotionally multiple times, and is WORLDS happier than she ever was with my dad.

Statistically divorced women have more money and more free time than married women. And I'm saying this as a very happily married person. As a child of divorce, I'm glad my mom left and I'm very proud of her for doing it

[–]MedCup4505 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My ex had the nerve to complain to me about how much work it is, when I divorced him for similar reasons.

Meanwhile, my work load dropped by 50%. And once I got used to half the week “alone,” I treasured it. Missed my kids a lot, though.

Wait until your youngest is older (that’s what I did; the youngest was 5 and I wanted too leave by the time she was 2). You will not feel ok leaving littles with him—if he asks for placement (custody is about legal decision making for your children; placement is time in each home).

Or, get the best divorce lawyer around so you can stay home with your kids without him dragging you down. You will need $$$ for child care help, and for the weekly outing alone you will do so you can continue to manage on your own most of the time. Ask for 16-24 hours of child care money for 3 kids—like a nanny or night nurse-level care, on top of regular support. If he won’t share parenting, he needs to pay for someone to provide the care he won’t, so you can have some time and the occasional full night of sleep for yourself.

Good luck.

[–]Flippin_diabolical 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Life on my own is much more peaceful and LESS LONELY than being married to a man-baby.

[–]Mwanatabu 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I'm happier post divorce, definitely. I had one less person to care for, the most demanding one. 

For the first time in 17 years I was able to sit on a chair and read for ten minutes straight without someone deciding he needed attention, a chore or some other power trip from me. 

Not only did he no longer claim all my time so he could come and go as he pleased and do whatever he wanted, he also lost the ability to control where I was going. I could finally hire a sitter and go see a movie, have a social life, work out without constantly being on edge when (not if...) he would call. 

It was actually kind of sad when I realized how little he had been contributing and how much less work life was without him. The second time I realized something like that was when I met my current boyfriend and experienced for the first time what a true partnership was like. Everything got easier with him. 

[–]LittleYelloDifferent 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I congratulate everyone who gets a divorce- it’s always got a reason

[–]queerharveybabe 10 points11 points  (1 child)

so happy.

My biggest regret is that I wish I got divorced sooner . I shouldn’t have stuck around for so long.

[–]hoperaines 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same! Once I cut ties it was liberating

[–]Ihatealltakennames 10 points11 points  (0 children)

So.... 1999. 16 years old pregnant.  Sophomore year of high school.  He was about to graduate.  We get married 5 weeks after she was born.  I skipped a year to graduate early.  I'm married,  17 with a newborn and we have an apartment.  We lasted 2 years.  When I left at 18 years old (my mom was absolutely going to let me live back home and I had to get a job and pay her rent) he was blindsided.  Could not understand the moving boxes in the car. This man never got up w her in the middle of the night.  Never cooked.  Never cleaned etc. I did it all while finishing high school.  Hell... I wrote the checks to pay the bills and did the budget.  He said to me when I walked out the door, " You will never make it without me." I turned around and said,  "Watch me." And I did. None of it was easy.  But I was a single mom and bought my own home at 27 years before he did.  Best decision ever. Its much more difficult today.  I can't debate that. But I did it with the odds stacked against me and fuck you BJ.

[–]fishylegs46 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Why would he even want any custody? I’m sure it varies by state, but where I live custody and child support are unrelated. He’d pay the same if he never sees them. Anyway, you would definitely be happier without him. It sounds like he only adds sadness and disappointment to your lives. I’m sorry it turned out this way for your family, and that things get better one way or the other.

[–]ImportantImplement9[S] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Honestly, probably just to be difficult.

His parents are wealthy and extremely vindictive people. I worry they will team up with him to make me seem like an awful person and mother to the court 😞

[–]Punmkin 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Get the best lawyer possible. A colleague of mine got the best lawyer in town for her divorce. Yes the lawyer was expensive but she did not get ripped off from the divorce and got a pretty good settlement. It was complicated for her after the divorce but she never looked back. Her case reminds me of yours : man didn’t do anything at home, didn’t care for the babies (first one was 3 and the second one was 1 if I remember well) and he even got a mistress. It was hard bit she managed it and had a job and thus was not financially dependent on him. Now the kids are grown up, she never regretted her looser of a man.

[–]Apprehensive_Rain500 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Get the best lawyer you can and DON'T TELL HIM. Keep everything close to the chest and don't even hint that you're leaving until your lawyer says go, or your husband will try to sabotage your departure.

[–]musicspirit85 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It sounds like you and your kids would be happier without him. You're already a solo parent. It'll be tough at first, but you are strong.

[–]thirddownloud 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Literally the happiest ive ever been! I am done with men entirely and it feels amazing.

[–]aaabbk 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I left mine in may 2024, my life is a lot better. I’ve lost 50lbs, I take care of myself, I have hobbies, my house is clean and the kids are on schedules. They are also finally emotionally regulated and happy.

BUT after begging and demanding 50/50 custody, he just… never showed up for them.

So don’t expect to split custody, they will scream and cry and act like it’s all they want, but a lot just … abandon their kids.

He’s seen them twice since summer break, and both times were only 45min (for their birthdays)

He has a new baby on the way and him and the new gf don’t “believe in child support” he sometimes sends me half the diaper bill if I send proof that’s what I spent money on…

Im lucky to be financially independent and my mom takes them once a month for a sleepover, I did find it incredibly hard at first to juggle everything, but the more time passes the happier I am :)

[–]aaabbk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Also, when he was seeing them over the summer I only allowed supervised visits because I was already providing all food, toys, etc. and felt I couldn’t trust him to actually take care of them since he’d just put YouTube on and check out lol. At least with supervised visits it was at the park/playground/zoo and they could actually enjoy seeing him.

My lawyer hasn’t served him yet and I’ve reported him to the police for things he’s done to me in the past, so I don’t really try to bridge the relationship for him anymore. He made his bed. (Which means he doesn’t try at all even to call them lol)

[–]lokilady1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes

[–]tanderny 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes. I’m much happier. My ex wasn’t lazy like yours, he was emotionally abusive so different circumstances. What I’d like to say is it will be hard but it will be worth it, especially for your kids. I was too terrified to try to leave when my kids were young and as a result, they were exposed to the disfunction and abuse and have adult issues as a result. I will live with that guilt for the rest of my life. You and your kids deserve so much more than neglect and contempt.

[–]missleavenworth 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Honestly found i had a lot more money once I didn't have to pay for his hobbies, food, car insurance, and whatever nonsense he wanted. I woke up with the biggest smile the day after the divorce. 

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Working on the divorce currently but…. HELL YES!!!!!!! Fuck that man and all men like him.

[–]Zestyclose_Media_548 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If you are home schooling you need to find a way to get them into school so you can get a job. And you will need to get a job unless husband has a close to 7 figure job and/ or assets that would be divided upon divorce and you can get alimony and child support. If definitely consider going to a lawyer for a consultation to at least figure out what the facts are and your rights . Also - would he want to spot custody or do the bare minimum? Document the neglect of the children as well.

[–]HistoryBuff678 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Statistically, after a woman divorces, the amount of housework she has drops dramatically.

[–]Eaudebeau 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The relief is so overwhelming it’s tough to measure the happiness.

[–]notsogoldielocks86 14 points15 points  (0 children)

My husband of 15 years left and then wanted to come back after a month. I said no. It's been 3 years. I have never been happier.

[–]BurkaBurrito 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Leaving my husband was the best decision I ever made. My mental and physical heath improved TREMENDOUSLY. I didn’t even look at a man for over 3 years while I worked on myself and learned who I am. I literally became a different person! One day I realized that I was at a place where I felt I had a lot to offer a partner, and met my current fiancé 2 months later. It’s been 7 years of laughter and love that I never would’ve known if I hadn’t left.

I stayed miserable with my ex for far too long in the hopes that things would get better. I don’t have kids so that is a struggle I can’t relate to, but I promise your kids will be happier seeing you happier.

[–]Halfassedtrophywife 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In my first marriage, I was miserable. I got pregnant at 19 and his military recruiter talked me into marrying him but then my ex got booted before even leaving for boot camp. That’s what happens when you get arrested. Our friend group we had before we had our daughter decided they only wanted him around and they would trash me all the time. It hurt and made me so anxious with him hanging out with people who were talking shit about me the whole time they hung out. We were unstably housed for a while and him hanging out with friends wasn’t really a thing as much. But then once we got an apartment he would go out all night and not tell me he was going out, who he was with, or what he was doing. I was anxious all the time over this. We worked opposite shifts to decrease the amount we paid for childcare but he would sleep all day long and ignore our kids. I was always so worried that something would happen to my kids so I cut my working to part time and would come home on my lunches when I did work.

I thought I was just anxious. I thought that I would never be happy and was told I wouldn’t ever have anyone love me because I had kids with my ex-husband. I left him and my anxiety decreased significantly! It was a 175lb weight being lifted. I could breathe.

Everything you’re describing sounds like how my relationship was. I was scared and only waited as long as I did because I didn’t see a way through or a way to support myself if I got rid of my ex. I’ve only done better and better. My income has gone way up because I could focus on finishing my education. Do it for your kids and for yourself if you’re feeling this way now.

[–]iusedtostealbirds 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My marriage wasn’t nearly this bad and I still left his ass. Life is a full 180 from those days, the happiness and peace is beyond comprehension.

I live in a highly religious area, and even though I no longer participate in religion, the religious attitudes and behaviors here are extremely prevalent. The divorce shame is sooooo real and I was so afraid of it due to the way I was treated when my parents got divorced when I was a teenager. Now? I don’t give a fuck. Seeing how happy I can be, even as a divorcee, made the shame shrug off me like a sweater in a sauna. Once you’re on the other side of it, people see quite clearly how smart you were to divorce - it isn’t always going to feel shameful. Don’t let the fear of that shame hold you back from your happiness.

[–]meeeowlet 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have never once regretted my divorce to leave a toxic relationship

[–]TryingNot2DoxxMyself 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Growing up in the household I did left me with a fucked up, joke of an impression of what love was. I recommend leaving him, for yourself, and so your kids know what love is supposed to look like.

[–]handcraftedcandy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna say something that gave my sister the push she needed to divorce her husband who was very similar to yours. If your daughter were in your shoes, what would you tell her?

[–]missjulie622 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Now ask if women who take a bath get wet 😏 yes, we’re almost all remarkably happier!! 💚

[–]jillieboobean 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Getting divorced made me so happy, I did it again.

[–]-FineWeather 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A lawyer will make the scary unknowns of finance and logistics clear for you - just start interviewing some until you find one that you feel gets the situation and will advocate for you. Don't wait. You'll see your options and get real advice tailored to the legal system and conventions of where you live, etc. I'll bet anything the future will look a lot better than what you're imagining after a reality check with experts.

As for the shame, if you're just worried about what others will think, forget it. If they don't know you and your situation well enough to support your decision, they are not qualified to impose their opinion on you. There is absolutely no reason to think they know better than you in this.

But if you're struggling with internal shame around making mistakes or whether you "deserve better", start talking with a therapist. It's very common to get in the habit of tearing down your own self esteem in order to rationalize what you're going through. Work with a therapist to separate fact and fiction, and differentiate accountability from blame. Accountability creates healthy patterns of recognizing problems and working to fix them, while blame just punishes you while leaving you stuck.

[–]FlamingDragonfruit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Please don't stay with a man who hates you.

[–]plantymacplant 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I left my abusive man child and year and a half ago. My life upspiraled without him around. I share 50/50 of our youngest and still have to deal with his bs at times, but my life is amazing without him in ALL aspects.

[–]TheMorgwar 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yes it’s so much better! I also divorced after 19 years. I didn’t get a lawyer. We talked it out and reached a resolution ourselves, and then filed an undisputed self-help divorce.

My husband was a terrible parent too. I convinced him that if he gave me 100% custody, he would get 100% freedom.

But, it would only be 100% custody on paper. I would still allow him to see them anytime, because I want my kids to have a father. But, only if he was in the mood, never by court order. He salivated at that freedom idea and agreed!

7 years later, he visits our kids about 4 days a month for shopping or out for dinner. He is never caregiving, just visiting. I’m not angry or disappointed anymore, just indifferent, so it’s chill.

If he doesn’t even LIKE his wife and kids, he may accept this deal. Prepare yourself mentally and emotionally and then have the talk. Frame the whole conversation around letting him be free to live his life he wants without kids holding him down, a drawn out court case, or a judge crawling up his ass about visiting his own kids.

I have a job and support myself now fine.

[–]ImportantImplement9[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is what I would ideally have. But I know deep down he would fight me. He can't face himself and admit that he actually wants free time all to himself to do whatever he wants.

It would be a fight simply on principle. The optics would look terrible for him. And he can't have that. And his parents wouldn't advise him to do that, either.

And speaking of the in-laws.. gosh, I would not be looking forward to dealing with them at all.. they are extremely vindictive. Before my BIL had his first child, he and his wife threatened the grandparents of not being able to see the child because they didn't like the way they were acting.. they went into full, "we're going to sue you for grandparent rights" and were basically foaming at the mouth.. they are wealthy and really see red when they want to..

[–]Same-Ad-7366 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. I didn’t think I would be. It was a big reason I didn’t leave for a long time . My ex husband assaulted me, lied to me constantly, cheated, kept me on eggshells constantly. Was always going out instead of helping me with our infant. He neglected him by not changing him, by ignoring his medical needs while I was at work, etc.. It was just such a big red flag all around. He also also invalidated my feelings. Everyday I thought about leaving him but wasn’t sure if it was the right thing to do.

As soon as I started the separation process I met my now husband (wasn’t looking). We stayed friends for a while. I still took a year and a half to heal from my marriage. Didn’t date, worked out, worked on my education and myself. Went to therapy. Eventually things fell into place. Being a single mom was TOUGH but I came out on top with 3 college degrees and mental stability. Yes financially it was rough for a little while but I get a good chunk of child support. My son and I lived in a tiny apartment for a while that sucked it was only temporary. We now live in a much better place. My husband now is amazing. He helps me with everything without asking. He goes out of his way to make me happy. He’s never raised his voice at me or even thought about hurting me like my ex husband did. He takes care of me. Before I used to be afraid I was going to be abused or cheated on constantly. Now my number one fear is losing my husband to an accident or something. I can’t imagine my life without him. He loves my son like he’s his own. I wouldn’t be even close to being this happy if I stayed with my ex husband. I gotta say leaving him was the best decision of my life.

[–]thestashattacked 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have so many students who are so much happier since their parents' divorces. No more being around all the fighting. No more constant arguing.

Are there other difficulties? Sure. But the really awful ones aren't there.

Hell, I have one student who was heavily parentified (it wasn't a choice any of them wanted - and she understood why it was happening) until this year, when her dad married her stepmother. She preferred life parentified rather than having her mother around (long, long story).

Kids pay closer attention than you think. And they're much more reasonable and understanding than a lot of people give them credit for. If you show them that the way he treats you is unreasonable now, you'll save them a lot of problems later.

[–]MsAdventuresBus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

When I lost 210 lbs of dead weight the only extra chores I had to do was take out the trash and check the mail box…that was the only things he did. I had less dishes and less mess to clean. I paid someone to mow the yard. Best decision ever. It was the end of an error. Your kids aren’t stupid. They will see what kind of person their father is. And honestly if he doesn’t want to be around them, he may just leave them in your care. It all works out.

[–]Alexandria_Burns 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So.. all this to say, if you left an angry, clueless, less-than-helpful, woman hating husband.. are you actually happier after leaving?

Lol. Girl come on, what do you think?

[–]Outside_Memory5703 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Your husband is a dick and I fail to see why it is better

[–]Basically Tina Belcherpetitefeet79 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I’m in a similar situation, we just aren’t married. I want him gone so bad.

[–]ImportantImplement9[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Girl, run.. no kids? No ties? Get out quickly and much more simply! Wish you all the best.

[–]Basically Tina Belcherpetitefeet79 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We have a kid, which has made things harder.

[–]solveig82 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m much happier. It’s been hard to rebuild but totally worth it to free myself. I don’t have a man groping me or making sex jokes every time I change or try to go to sleep, amongst all sorts of other shitty disrespectful things my ex did.

[–]TexasLiz1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You need to read Lyz Lenz’s book The American Ex-Wife. Her husband wasn’t a shitheel and she still talks about how relieved she was to leave his unhelpful ass. And she has lots of data about women’s lives post divorce.

[–]Repulsive_Location 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes. Divorce is expensive, because it’s worth it. My first marriage lasted 18 years, and when it ended, I had three kids under five. Tbh, it was easier, because I only had to deal with three children instead of my ex-husband acting like the fourth. They’re grown now, I have been divorced almost 20 years, and the ONLY thing I regret was not getting out sooner. Fear is a liar. You can do this. NGL, it was challenging, but even the hardest times beat the crap out doing everything alone knowing I had a perfectly good husband who was unwilling to do anything for himself or our family.

[–]All Hail Notorious RBGOldebookworm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Definitely. And while our lives haven’t been super easy, we were much better off with him.

[–]cougarliscious 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is not very often you find a woman who regrets filing for divorce. Typically the regret is not listening to our gut instinct and filing SOONER

[–]lasindestino 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes completely! I realized how much I had changed just to make him happy. After I moved out I learned to love myself again and rediscover who I was.

[–]yagirlsamess 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's been 9 years and I still wake up every single morning thanking God that he's gone. That divorce was the best thing that ever happened to me by far.

The sad part is, the marriage wasn't even that bad. Being single is just that good ❤️

[–]burdn4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, men are shit, it will be better without him. Document everything, the kids will know you want the best for them.

[–]Solid-Camera-9724 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This was my life, with triplets. Except the x had his own business, not hobbies.

I did everything for my kids, EVERYTHING, while he ran his business & I was the office manager. (As well as raising kids, working PT etc)

I stayed 25 years with this controlling, narcissistic man.

When I left, (after having an affair) he turned my kids against me & that was the hardest time in my whole life. I didn’t see them for a year.

I never gave up on them & we finally made up through COVID.

Now they are adults & live in the city, we remain close and they occasionally see their father.

I am so happy single again! I did have another serious relationship after, he turned out to be a loser.

So happy, do what I want, go where I want, when, how and spend as much or little I want! I have 3 pets & I’m as happy as a pig in shit! 🩷💞🩷

[–]blarggyy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve been much happier after every break up I’ve had - ESPECIALLY my divorce. My husband was much like yours. Also, if I didn’t know what my kids/partner likes or dislikes, I’d be ashamed of myself. How do you live with someone and supposedly love them but know nothing about them? Shameful.

Honestly. I feel like I’m stupid because I have always entered into a new relationship after an old one ends. I give myself time to heal and all that but I always end up finding another. Not this time though. If my husband and I break up or he dies or something - never again. I’ve never had good luck with men. All of mine have been problematic and I always gave them the benefit of the doubt because of love 🙄 My current relationship is the best I’ve ever had but it still has its issues and if I’d know about some of them beforehand, I can’t say for sure if I’d have gone through with the marriage.

Men (have no experience with female partners) have always been a huge amount of work in my experience. So many are lazy and just try to do the bare minimum to scoot by. Many are emotionally stunted. Many don’t understand consent fully even though they claim they do - just because you’re in a relationship doesn’t equal an automatic ‘yes’. Idk. I’d rather be on my own and know that any problems I have to deal with are caused by myself and only myself. Not have to work so hard to make someone else happy and STILL have to listen to them complain, yet they fail to put in the bare minimum amount of work. Being expected to complete certain tasks because I’m “the woman” or because I work from home 🙄 Being single just seems so much easier and peaceful.

[–]Winter_Apartment_376 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I will give a different view.

The worse the relationship is - the worse sometimes the aftermath.

A close friend of mine was in an emotionally abusive relationship. She consulted a top lawyer shortly after their daughter was born.

The lawyer advised her to wait “until the daughter is old enough to speak” and tell her what’s going on during daddy’s custody time.

My friend waited 5 years. Did everything by the book. Gathered evidence for courts. It was not enough for full custody, but she got more than the 50/50.

I wish I could tell you she was immediately happier. But she wasn’t.

The nightmare of her relationship wasn’t even close to what started after the divorce.

He took her to court for custody, for parental alienation, for everything and anything possible. He almost immediately started dating a new woman, who started bullying my friend.

My friend didn’t sleep well for years. She was constantly stressed, tense and full of anxiety.

It has been 6 years. She still gets stressed when daughter goes to his place. He sends her a legal letter few times a year. The daughter often comes home crying.

She would tell you that she did the right thing. But god it has been a nightmare.

I don’t want to dissuade you. But I really wish people talked about what a nightmarish hell it can be to get a divorce from an asshole.

You know your husband the best. Is he the revenge type? What has he threatened you with? What will he do when he thinks he has nothing to lose?

Edit to add: And hugs! It is not your fault. And I’m so sorry your husband has put you in this situation.

[–]ImportantImplement9[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I appreciate you sharing your friend's story and my heart breaks for her. Absolutely abhorrent what is happening to her and her daughter.

My in-laws are wealthy and extremely vindictive people. I worry they will team up with their son and attempt to paint me as an awful person and mother. They have things they can use against me (parenting choices).

Ugh 😞

[–]disjointed_chameleon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

10000000000%. Absolutely.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My ex husband has some of the same characteristics as your husband. When we separated he got worse and kind of fell apart. He wanted 50/50 custody but he neglected the kids to the point they started refusing to go, and he agreed they were best to live with me. So now I have full custody. At first I was angry about this but over time I’ve come to be happy that I have full control, I’m a much better parent than he is, and while I do miss having free time, they bring me so much company and joy that it’s ok I don’t really get time off.

The biggest thing I would try to get settled as much as you can before hand is your finances. Save up some money, get a job (or a better job), make sure you have some credit cards and if possible good credit, look into any resources you might qualify for, and make sure you will be able to support yourself. Not having enough money for housing and food for your children will break you as a single mom and make life miserable. Do everything you can to secure that beforehand. If you have family that will help, that’s always great to have as well.

My kids took the divorce kind of hard the first few years, but I think it’s because he wasn’t giving them stability at his house. Now things have settled down and they are doing well. I’m happier overall with my life, and I like the freedom I have now.

[–]MsDeluxe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My life is peaceful and calm since I left my man baby husband. You will be so much happier and your children will grow up happier too and with a better role model.

[–]Jedi Knight ReyLeisurelyHyacinth246 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My situation was different in that I didn’t have kids, but I had a 20 year marriage and he ignored me and left me to do everything by myself. He was the one who left, but I ended up way happier after all was said and done.

[–]hypothalamic_thanato 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. Without one shadow of a doubt, and even though the two years since I moved out have been a nightmare….that’s my nightmare. I don’t sleep in my own house in the back bedroom with my door locked and blocked off, crying bf myself to sleep every night.

When you eventually move, you’re going to go to work, come home, and all your stuff will be where you left it. It’s beautiful.

[–]hoperaines 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I couldn’t tell if you are a stay at home mom. If you are, please get a job. Start now. Talk to an attorney. Save your money. Find child care. Hopefully you have friends and family that will help. Things with your husband will not get better. Best thing you can do is stand on your home. It is possible. I did it and now my child is grown. I work full time and own my own home. I am HAPPY! I am FREE! There is a freedom in not being dependent on someone else and watching them negate your efforts. I promise that the struggle is worth it in the end.

[–]a5121221a 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am happier. We aren't divorced yet, but are completely separated and divided our assets. He didn't even ask for shared custody. He wanted visitation and wants me there to actually take care of the kids when he sees them 4 times a year. He saw them 5 times since he left this year in January.

It is really hard being a single parent and I'm lucky enough to have someone who helps me a lot, but it is so much better with him gone. I still feel resentment occasionally when I think about the fact that he does nothing for our family, but it isn't constant like it was when he spent all his time playing video games and drinking and we were under the same roof.

I am much happier and my kids are better off. Two people told me (unsolicited) how much more confident my son was after his dad left. He was 5 at the time.

[–]justhangingaroud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honey I am fucking ecstatic. Every day I wish I’d left five years earlier so I could’ve been this happy for five more years

[–]DisplayTop1578 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Leave. You will have a more peaceful life. And you will have less work to do.

[–]ellemenna 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am so much happier on the other side.

[–]MISSdragonladybitch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. So much. A lot of people are concerned about the financial aspect, but I found I had more money with him gone. Everything he earned was spent - we needed 2 cars (tons of gas, and fast food because the concept of waiting 10 minutes to eat at home was beyond him), bigger insurance bill, bigger repair bill - without him stomping from pedal to pedal, my brake pads last 3x as long - the sports package on tv, his hobbies, the AC on blast all summer, the heat hiked up all winter, the groceries (men eat a LOT), the laundry, the shoes, the thousand little impulse purchases.... His paycheck was his and he "worked hard" and deserved blah blah blah. My paycheck was ours and did I really need to buy the good dog food, jeez, I'm so selfish

Not only did I have more money, I never, ever have to fight about it.

I felt zero shame, so I can't help with that. Logistics - it's so much easier to be doing everything when you're not resentful of and also taking care of another able-bodied adult. I did creative side gigs to earn money until my little was school aged. Not that, no hate to anyone who does, but pet sitting, need a porch re-screened? You can make a lot of money with a good power washer. Prune fruit trees. You have some niche skill that someone will pay you for and you can do wearing a baby backpack. Tons of work. Tons. Still less than being married to dead weight.

[–]McDuchess 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I got divorced 37 years ago after 15 years of marriage. My ex paid a whole lot more attention to a brandy bottle than to either me or our four small kids.

He got dry, but then set his addictive personality on computers. So still ignored them and me, all while expecting me to do 95% of the childcare and make a sizable income at the same time. Obviously the sizable income took a back seat to the kids.

The first month after the judge ordered him to move out, I realized that I’d been trying to parent a 38 year old man along with four kids from 2 to 9. The relief was palpable. Th3 were some very tough times. At one point, he stopped paying child support for 9 months. It took that amount of time for the court system to wind its way through ordering his employer to pay the monthly amount directly to social services in the county, who then deposited it in my account.

But I would NEVER have undone the divorce. My kids were safer only spending limited time with him. I was safer not spending time with him. And they grew up to be excellent adults. I don’t really know if that would have happened, had we stayed married.

[–]sierso 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was the oldest daughter in an household like this. My negative conversations with my dad turned violent as I got older. When i was a child, I thought of my mom as a victim and that she was trapped. She wasn't. She just chose to do nothing and looked the other way because she didn't want to work or have to start over being single. I dont know who I resent more now in my adult years. Him for the outright abuse and neglect or my mother who never stopped him.

Funny story as a sidenote: My dad would never feed us when my mom wasn't home. One time it was just me at home with him and he offered to split a $5 taco bell box with me. All he let me have was the drink. I dont even like Dr. Pepper. And my mom wondered why we were always underweight.

[–]JadeGrapes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I was MUCH happier after leaving.

The 50/50 custody meant that he couldn't dump all parenting on me any more. It actually caused him to step up and be more involved.

Then every other week? You get a vacation from parenting. You can sleep in. Clean your whole house and it stays clean. No one chipping away at your sense of self by interrogating your every choice.

Friends say I'm aging in reverse... and it's true, my hair is like 4x thicker now than it was in my early 30s. That man was draining the life out of me.

[–]dragonbec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The transition feels rough, but wow the result is exhilarating. Do it. Dont stay together for the children, that teaches them screwed up ideas about what healthy relationships look like.

[–]Blondepotter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

2 words. Hell. Yes.

[–]FionaTheFierce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hell yes!

[–]Honest_Report_8515 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, although he initiated the divorce. Much happier.

[–]Chazkuangshi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't see how you could possibly be less happy without him.

[–]Rlady12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My life became so much easier after I recovered financially.

[–]143019 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am so happy that I am angry I wasted nearly 20 years trying to hold the marriage together. The kids are happier too.

[–]Biabiabianca 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn’t realize I had the capacity to feel this level of happiness after leaving him. Yeah part of the divorce process was shitty but I would deal with that a million times over then stay married to my ex.

You get so used to what your “normal” is that you don’t realize how things could be. My kids are older so I don’t have to worry about them much. They can handle their own and know I am always a call away if something is too much for them.

[–]MrsRalphieWiggum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. He is no longer verbally, mentally and financially abusing me.

[–]AnonymousFartMachine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"If I have to leave the house, which is rare..."

What you just described is neglect or outright abuse, full stop. You're doing your kids (and yourself) a disservice by staying in this situation and are failing to protect them. Please plan a safe exit and take him to court.

I am guessing he doesn't want children/a family, even if he initially did.

[–]Basically Eleanor ShellstropSpinnerofyarn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heck yes I am happier post divorce! I don’t have to clean up after him. I don’t have to “just ask” for help and still not get it. I am no longer scrambling to pay bills because he refuses to stop going through drive thru and overdrawing our checking account. I don’t have the responsibilities of keeping in touch with his relatives and managing their birthdays and holidays. There are many other things that I don’t have to deal with anymore, but the biggest is no more screaming matches.

[–]YourLittleRuth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you had a roommate who behaved like this, would you renew your lease, or go and find somewhere else to live?

You must have spent part of your life living without this man. If you rack your brains, possibly you will conclude that your life was pleasanter back then. You may argue that you did not at that time have children for this husband/father to neglect, but surely at some point in your life you have noticed that there are some men in the world who actually care about their partners and offspring? And divorced women who are surviving quite well?

As you are, you are miserable and exhausted. Your children are suffering from their father’s neglect and indifference, and they are absorbing the lessons that you demonstrate by choosing not to get out of this trap.

I can see that you have taken a tentative step towards freedom by asking if it really is impossible to leave. It is not. You have proved that you can carry your children and your unpleasant, useless lump of a husband through life. Do you really think your burden will not be lighter without the selfish, thoughtless husband whose sole contribution to your lives is, apparently, money? Which he will be obliged by law to provide anyway?

Just do it.

[–]not_3_turtles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I filed for divorce after more than 20 years of marriage. My youngest will graduate high school this year so my situation isn’t exactly the same as yours, but to answer your question, yes, I’m SO much happier without him. He wasn’t mean or abusive but married to his work and when he wasn’t at work he was on his ass in front of the tv while on his phone or asleep in his chair. Never did anything to help around the house without being asked multiple times and then he half-assed everything he touched.

My kids saw it coming from a mile away but they are older than yours, from the sound of it. Still, your kids will realize that mom does everything for them and they will appreciate it and you. And it sounds like you have a couple of potential little helpers there.

You mentioned “shame” but there is no shame in wanting better for yourself and your children. Getting them out of an unhealthy situation is power, dedication, and ultimate love. But it’s not “shame.”

I’m fortunate enough to have a good job that pays me decently so while I still worry about my finances, I do feel somewhat secure. And in your case there will likely be child support and potentially alimony, depending on where you live. Many attorneys will do a free initial consultation. I encourage you to find one who does and tell them your story. They will help you understand what you’re entitled to according to the applicable laws. Then you can decide how to move forward. Talk with multiple lawyers until you find someone you’re comfortable with and who you believe will fight for your best interests.

I was already used to doing everything on my own, I just have one less person to clean up after now. The divorce isn’t final yet but I’m already more at peace. If you are posting on Reddit about this, I feel like you’ve already made up your mind. Take a deep breath, plan your next step, and then take it. You can do this, sis.

[–]bluehatgreenshoes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't have kids, but I left my husband and OH MY GOD AM I HAPPIER!!! My biggest regret is I didn't do it sooner.

I can only imagine having kids changes the equation, but my sister-in-law (I am now remarried to an amazing man) left her husband with three young children. She has to do as much as she did before, but now she doesn't have to fight with him in the house over the responsibilities. So, her emotional stability is much better, but it is a lot of work (but it was a lot of work before because he never helped).

[–]stark-o 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! I'm much happier. My ex was also lazy, and I stayed angry a lot of the time. My separation and divorce were many years ago. I raised my two children, and he moved several states away. It was hard at times, and money was tight, but I made our home very safe, peaceful, calm, and joyful without him. It was totally worth it. Now I'm an empty nester, and still have a peaceful, calm, joyful home. It was a great decision for me and my children.

[–]pontoponyo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not divorced yet, and I still have to live with him until we can deal with our house, and our co-parenting relationship has its struggles, but I’m significantly happier knowing I no longer have to give a shit about him.