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[–]He burped on my clitLonely_Noyaaa 1789 points1790 points  (19 children)

The wild part is how fast everyone closed ranks to protect the guy instead of listening to the woman who was actually touched. People will bend reality into a pretzel rather than admit their friend did something creepy. That whole group showed you exactly who they are.

[–]Two-Theories 90 points91 points  (0 children)

If OP had elbowed or hit him on instinct would the posse treat him as the victim? or is the rule, anyone can do anything they like, except make a scene

[–]MoxieGirl9229 94 points95 points  (0 children)

Definitely. Have nothing to do with them.

[–]InAcquaVeritas 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Internalised misogyny is terrifying

[–]Secure_Vegetable_655 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I prefer "infuriating." "Terrifying" is a propaganda word intended to enervate and immobilize us.

[–]Tiny_Scarcity_8846 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Because he was a man. Women don’t have to take this shit without speaking up. Misogyny of America!

[–]Confu2ion 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's not just a problem in America ... each culture will have its own excuse for abusers.

[–]Shazoa 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Not even just friends. I've seen people do stuff like this just because they're so conflict averse that they let people get away with basically anything.

[–]teriyakireligion 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Himpathy. Men get believed.

[–]monmeese 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Perfect word.

[–]=^..^=HN-Prime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've never heard this word before but I am definitely stealing it because it's so fucking real

[–]Ok_Sentence_5767 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And is a microcosm of how wrong we humans are with consent

[–]melodic-abalone-69 266 points267 points  (2 children)

I am so sorry this happened to you. 

I'm glad your friend stood up for and was, in your words, aggressive. The actions of this man and the reactions of others at the party are disgusting. This is never ok and should absolutely be called out. 

Saying this as a 40yo woman who let this slide way too often when I was younger. 

[–]InAcquaVeritas 49 points50 points  (1 child)

You didn’t let it slide, we didn’t have a choice back then. We would have the same reaction as OP minus the friend. We would be silenced and ridiculed if we’d said something.

[–]b1tchf1t 24 points25 points  (0 children)

No, no, no, nope, nope, nope. I'm in the same age range, and we certainly DID have a choice. Throughout my life, I've stood up for people when shit like this happens, I've been stood up for, and I've also let shit slide and also had other people let shit slide when it happened to me. We have to hold ourselves accountable here, too, and be honest. We did and do have choices, even if they're hard choices. Saying we don't or didn't minimizes the sacrifices of all the women who do and did stand up, and we're not all strong enough all the time to be everyone's champion. That reality needs to be acknowledged so people don't think it's too hard or not worth it to stand up when they do have the fortitude.

[–]InAcquaVeritas 95 points96 points  (2 children)

Your friend sounds like a good friend. Hopefully he distances himself from that bunch of creeps.

[–]Trans ManBillyBattsInTrunk 362 points363 points  (6 children)

The passes men get...ugh!

[–]MemeShaman[S] 218 points219 points  (4 children)

But it was his birthday!!1!

[–]sweetkittyriot 87 points88 points  (2 children)

Then he deserves a birthday punch...in the face! Just kidding, of course, I don't condone violence

[–]bell to the hooksredpandarising 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hey, maybe he'd enjoy it, you'll never know until you try

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[–]Any_Hunter_1218 24 points25 points  (0 children)

bro needs some serious birthday bumps

[–]Silent_Moose61 7 points8 points  (0 children)

it's wild how some dudes can just do the most and everyone's like "oh he didn't mean it" Nah, boundaries are boundaries, being drunk or "friendly" doesn't excuse creepy behavior

[–]clever_whitty_name 35 points36 points  (0 children)

This experience highlights why so many people stay quiet.

The people who are supposed to be supportive - are dismissive, disbelieving, or defending the perpetrator... It's like being assaulted all over again.

SA is very isolating. Which is the exact opposite of what helps a person heal - healing requires support from friends, family, and community... But that's not what SA survivors get ....

[–]Trans Manill-independent 33 points34 points  (0 children)

The only good thing about this is that at least you know who your real friends are. The guy who stood up for you despite being a bit aggressive showed his true colors as well, fortunately he had your back. The guy making gross gestures and commenting on your "boobies" was even worse IMO.

[–]YourLittleRuth 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I have every sympathy for you, and I share your disgust at the behaviour of the other people. Thank goodness for your friend.

It's a pity, really, that your, ahem, instinctive response was not to flail around with an outstretched hand and smite him in the face. But then. Many of us are too civilised to do such a thing.

[–]Miss_Andry101 33 points34 points  (3 children)

I'm a woman and I was a very tactile person my entire life. When I was in my early 40's I was out at a club and trying to scootch past a couple of women who looked to be in their late teens, early 20's, and, as was my natural behaviour, gently placed my hand on one woman's shoulder, gave her a wee squeeze and said 'excuse me, could I just get past you, please?'

She turned on me so fucking fast and yelled in my face 'DO NOT FUCKING TOUCH ME!'

Know what I did? I apologised, said I am a really tactile person and it had never even occurred to me that someone could be offended by that sort of thoughtless, habitual, touchy behaviour, coming from me.

I started making a massive effort to curtail my touching of strangers after that, then Covid came along and beat it out of me completely. Now, I don't even particularly like being in the same room as any other living humans. 😜😂

[–]Trans Manill-independent 6 points7 points  (2 children)

TBQH I think her reaction was pretty aggressive. Sounds like she may have expected you were a dude being gross. It's good that you adjusted your behavior ofc. I despise being touched and have PTSD, the worst I'd react would be saying "please don't touch me" or to flinch away in that moment as in this case it wasn't someone trying to be nasty.

[–]Miss_Andry101 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I think it was one of those situations where we were both just behaving in a moment. She did think I was a creeper and also apologised when I started to apologise, lol.

Up until then though, it genuinely had never crossed my mind that I was invading people's space by being so touchy feely towards almost every human being I came into contact with and I was well old enough to have upset far too many people by then.

I appreciated the lesson. : )

[–]Confu2ion 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I also have CPTSD and anyone being right behind me or touching/grabbing my shoulders scares the SHIT out of me because it relates to a specific trauma I experienced. It definitely depends on what that woman's experience was.

[–]wizean 94 points95 points  (15 children)

Yuck!!!!

Another new trend is "Ohhhh, they are autistic, they don't understand what they are doing is wrong".

And spouted for anyone and everyone who behaves bad.

[–]LoriCupcake 43 points44 points  (4 children)

I feel like anyone with ASD who wouldn't know to keep their hands to themselves in any capacity, let alone in a sexually charged manner while interacting with an unfamiliar person, would be requiring services like a chaperone when in public.

Almost all of the many dozens of lovely people with ASD I've had the pleasure to know have been diligent about respecting others in social situations. They try incredibly hard to learn the unspoken/unwritten rules of social etiquette and feel terrible if they somehow violate them, even in the most innocuous way.

It's so gross that the diagnosis is being co-opted as a means to excuse inappropriate behavior. I wish there were a law like for stolen valor or those that punish anyone claiming to be medical doctor or nurse when aren't.

It taints the public perception of those who are truly on the spectrum and creates negative connotations.

[–]elongam 31 points32 points  (2 children)

I have been repeatedly groped and harassed by a teenager with autism and intellectual disability that I work with. Everyone including his parents laughs it off of how he 'used to be worse'. Last time that was brought up in a meeting with his parents, I looked them straight in the face and said 'What he is doing is a crime. American prisons are full of people with language and learning disabilities.' As you can imagine, his parents how HATE me, but it's the truth and they need to understand.

Also, he tells you he knows he's 'not supposed to' be doing the thing he's doing, as he's doing it. Nothing like a hormone addled 17 years old pawing at you while saying 'I know I'm not supposed to touch you, but...'

[–]Floppy202 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He is using his condition as an excuse. If he know he shouldn‘t touch you.

[–]elongam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, that was the point of my comment. Everyone else has excused the behavior for so long, he has learned he can do the same. No one was happy with me when I pointed out the consequences of this can be severe.

[–]♡wrincewind 6 points7 points  (0 children)

there's some crossover i suspect. "i can use this condition to explain my various behaviours, even ones that're nothing to do with the condition".

[–]elongam 15 points16 points  (0 children)

They do it for themselves. I told off a creep on the train for bothering a lady, and he told he didn't know he shouldn't as he's autistic. I firmly replied that I work with autistic adults and it's no excuse for asking women on the train if they would consider divorcing their husbands to be with him. That's not an issue reading nonverbal communication norms, you're being a fucking dolt.

He spent the rest of the ride staring angrily at me instead of bothering her, but I was okay with that.

[–]StyraxCarillon 31 points32 points  (1 child)

I see that excuse floated constantly on reddit when a woman talks about a guy's bad behavior. mAybE He'S aUTisTiC!

[–]♡wrincewind 12 points13 points  (0 children)

i'm autistic and - hell no. If it's saying stupid shit then, like, /maybe/, but 'no touchy unless asky' and 'if in doubt, no touchy' is kindergarten stuff and you have to be pretty profoundly affected to struggle with that sort of thing - and even then, being told 'no, don't ever do that' is exactly the kind of clear rule that autism doesn't struggle with.

[–]StirCrazyCatLady 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately not new; I got told that after a man (20s-30s maybe?) I didn't know tried to unzip the back of my dress at my 18th birthday, over a decade ago

[–]Any_Hunter_1218 16 points17 points  (0 children)

That's such a convenient and easy cop-out for them, really hate this excuse

[–]Somaligirl23 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I actually don’t think they are. I know people with autism and they go out of their way to be very direct because reading signs isn’t their strong suit. Like you may never even know because I had a friend tell me years after because of the stigma

[–]Severn6 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yeah, my partner is somewhere on the spectrum. He needs things to be extremely direct- via me he has learned all about what women face and he makes a point now of keeping his hands in his pockets in crowds, or places with lots of swiftly moving people, so he could never accidentally touch a woman and make her uncomfortable. He also doesn't walk close behind a woman - same thing. He goes to extremes, almost, actually and is hyper aware of things.

[–]Halp. Am stuck on reddit.notashroom 3 points4 points  (1 child)

There are a lot of people who, for one reason or another, reach adulthood without learning about boundaries and that they should recognize and respect them. When they are in our circles and we can teach them gently but effectively, we should. But if the situation calls for it (and this did), then we teach however we need to for the message to get through in the moment.

[–]Confu2ion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is what I was thinking of, too. There are so many people with zero emotional regulation skills, there are people who are neurodivergent but have no idea and were just enabled or given no support, all sorts of different combinations. Not excusing it, just wanted to add.

[–]Neither-Chart5183 46 points47 points  (1 child)

I ditched all of my girl friends because they would not stop protecting creeps and predators. They would manipulate me into staying quiet by telling me he might kill himself if I talk and ruin his reputation. I had a woman use her infertility and cancer diagnosis to protect a man. A different group said I was going to make a man's dog's cancer harder? Literally no one ever asked me if I was okay. Their immediate concern was to the man or his gf/wife. 

They make you feel crazy and gaslight you by downplaying what happened or accuse you of lying. It is scary and depressing to be in this position. You constantly see groups of people circle around a loser predator man to protect him from his victims. It makes you feel devalued as a human being and dumbfounded by their loyalty.   

[–]ConsistentMap728 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s shocking how brainwashed we are because women will put themselves on the cross for a man who doesn’t give a shit about her

[–]pettles123 12 points13 points  (0 children)

One time an old man (a friend of my dad’s) came up and slapped me on the ass HARD in front of my dad and guy friend. I turned around and saw it was a stranger, got a running start and open-handed slapped him across the face so hard he fell on the ground before anyone could react. My guy friend was laughing hysterically, which IMO was a fine response, because he loved fighting and would have stood up for me had I not handled it myself so quickly. MY DAD, on the other hand, told me I needed to calm down and that I overreacted! The gross old mans wife came up and apologized and said he does that to all the young girls and she’s glad he finally got what he deserved. Overall, such a depressing situation having my dad take his friend’s side. Anytime I ran into the old man again he would jokingly cower before profusely apologizing, which, respect. But I hate the disgusting world we live in sometimes and I hate that this type of thing happens so often.

[–]HeartMelodic8572 28 points29 points  (1 child)

This is unfortunately, our reality more often than not. I'm so sorry that this happened to you.

[–]MemeShaman[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Thank you. My friend keeps apologizing over and over. I told him this is unfortunately a very mild event on the scale.

[–]Beebajazz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The interaction itself is unpleasant, to put it mildly, and anyone would be grossed out by it, male, female, dog. The way everyone seemed to think "oh, it's fine because it's him" would lead to a lot of people being removed from my life to absolutely no loss.

[–]BelleCat20 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Creeps like to keep in the company of other creeps.

MOST people I've met aren't like this, so I still have hope to not be completely surrounded with people like that.

I'm sorry that happened, some people can be so gross.

[–]FatTabby 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's so frightening how quick they were to deny that he touched you. It makes me wonder how far he'd have to go before people would actually say something.

I'm so sorry that happened to you. They're absolutely vile excuses for human beings.

[–]Outside_Memory5703 14 points15 points  (1 child)

People will do what’s convenient for them, not what’s right

And I’m sure they’ve chosen to do that for this guy for a long time

[–]MemeShaman[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is an incredibly good point. He was a particularly rich individual, as well, which carries its own status and weight within the community.

[–]dani8cookies 15 points16 points  (1 child)

As we move forward, we are moving backwards. I think this sort of thing will happen more and more. There seems to be a movement of male superiority and entitled ownership.

Don’t question how you feel 0P. You’ve been a woman a long time and you should trust your instincts. I’m glad your friend stuck up for you and I’m glad you did too

[–]MemeShaman[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I recently had a male coworker text me “it’s the hardest time to be a man.” 😩 I promptly stopped that friendship and made it strictly professional.

[–]That awkward moment whenSciFiChickie 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry you had to experience that, but I’m glad you have a solid friend that was willing to go to bat for you.

[–]jinglygal 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Yeeesh. Hope you're ok.

I was taught to never attend any party if I didn't know the main person it is for precisely because of ugly issues like this. Thanks for validating that lesson.

Make sure you take some time to care for yourself please. No one deserves to be treated like you did.

[–]MemeShaman[S] 33 points34 points  (1 child)

I am. I’m upset and processing. It was a more conservative space and I’m using this as a teaching moment to be more decisive with where I spend my time, because my safety and values matter.

That is a great lesson, tbh. I will be using that from here on out.

I came home, lit a candle, and cuddled with my kitty. Thank you. ❤️

[–]jinglygal 8 points9 points  (0 children)

meow meow.

And don't beat yourself up over it. we all make mistakes. not saying it's your fault at all. this was behaviour thrust upon you by a jackass. But not everyone is a dickhead out there.

Take the time to heal and process, but don't be afraid to get out there and face the world a stronger woman tomorrow.

You got this.

meow meow.

[–]MelonElbows 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I hope you tipped over a bookshelf when you left!

[–]MemeShaman[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Generous of you to assume this man is literate.

[–]baberunner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would have caused A Scene (tm) but I've also been drinking so....

[–]ninjacooter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Missing stairs and the folks who enable them (by not explicitly calling them out for their predatory behavior) are not safe to be around. What happened in that room is that everybody who immediately jumped to that handsy person's defense proved that they're unsafe and not to be trusted.

I was once yelled at by an entire room of teenagers back in my high school days because I was struggling against a guy who was trying to get me outside so he could rape me. They all bitched at me to just shut up and go with him.

You have my empathy.

[–]banu_musa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A lot of people are advotacting actual assault in this comments section

[–]rumande 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh my god this is infuriating

[–]Trans WomanLocalChamp 6 points7 points  (6 children)

That was assault. I would never be around any of those people ever again.

[–]MemeShaman[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Don’t ever plan to. They have proved they are not safe people.

[–]Spartan4a 3 points4 points  (1 child)

In most US states what he did is misdemeanor battery: the intentional unconsented touching of another person.

[–]♡wrincewind 5 points6 points  (0 children)

yep - but good luck proving it when an entire room of people are willing to swear it didn't happen.

[–]Trans Womanlithaborn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean you were accusing him of something, he slapped your ass or close enough, and you're not over reacting!

Could it have been handled better? I've worked in bars and dealt with a lot of drunk-ass creeps so in my experience, just letting him realize he doesn't know you and apologize would have de-escalated pretty swiftly but when everyone's drunk that's not a guarantee. My trick was always to just treat the creeps like a new best friend and charm them in a different direction while they're discombobulated because I didn't explode at them.

It's a horrible situation though. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.

[–]HotDonnaC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They weren’t saying it was “OK for him to act like this”, they denied he acted like he did.

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[–]The-Cherry-On-Top-xx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are probably cameras that caught the incident. 

He probably did other creepy stuff to other people. I doubt this is his first time.

It sounds like mild sexual assault. Or sexual harassment

[–]SparrockC88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope your friend knows how you feel

[–]PAPAmagdaline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You met a pick me bitch