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[–]zSkyez 1546 points1547 points  (13 children)

You're honoring her by telling the truth about what she lived through and by caring this much.

[–]❤wanunderstandme53 420 points421 points  (0 children)

most people rewrite the past to make abusers look better youre doing the opposite and thats real love

[–]Umberta_[S] 516 points517 points  (8 children)

Thank you so much, I appreciate your words 🫶🏼

Her husband ended up writing a fcking book and I will never ever buy it. I just wanted to share her story incase anyone else needed that final push to leave a similar situation.

[–]ZylieD 267 points268 points  (2 children)

When I finally got up the nerve to ask my ex-husband to leave, I said, "I just realized I don't want to die." It was shocking to hear myself say it. I'm so sorry for your friend and for your own pain. Oof.

[–]Shadyhollowfarm58 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I remember telling our marriage counselor that I felt like I was slowly dying.

Hearing myself say that made me realize it was time to bail.

[–]Comeback_321 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Say it out loud everytime you feel repressed. Feel how much you want to LIVE. I’m so glad you got there. 

[–][deleted] 142 points143 points  (0 children)

Write your own book. He can suck it lol

[–]Doromclosie 24 points25 points  (1 child)

You should share the title so everyone can write poor reviews. 

[–]Umberta_[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

If you’re interested, message me. I’ve been blocking his promotional content on it when I can bc… fuck him he shouldn’t profit off of her tragedy.

[–]Comeback_321 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Write the book too. It doesn’t have to be their names. But my god. I have a friend whose husband is basically the same. They’ve only been married for 3 yrs? It’s terrible. He knows all the ways he can screw her in a divorce and toes that line so she can’t legally go after him - abandonment especially. He monitors her (with cameras).  She talked to a lawyer. The lawyer told her he could take half her savings and pension since he doesn’t work. She pays for everything, does everything.Tbh, logically even if she were to take a hit now, the less time married, the less loss. Rather start over now. But she said her biggest problem is that she loves him. He’s not only a deadbeat and emotionally abusive and manipulative but also an addict with many vices - an actual addict. I love her dearly. She thinks she can pray it away and pray herself to being a stronger person. I also believe in God but I believe in a God who wants us to use the resources at our disposal. I love her so much. I’m so sorry for your friend. My friend’s husband reminds me of an ex. You can read the signs now before they happen. These people…cause so much damage. I can earn my friends all I want when I see their wreck in the future happening but there’s something about having to go through it yourself I guess? I hope at our age, we all learn. Keep telling her story. And to anyone else, just remember if you hear “not bad” or “not all bad” - that does not equal GOOD. Don’t settle for anything less than GOOD. 

[–]DeneralVisease 40 points41 points  (2 children)

This is honestly a sign for me, too. I just started writing my family's history down to note all the important figures in my life such as my Grandma to dignify their experience and remember them. It's a love letter to the people I love and I hope people find joy in it whenever I finish.

[–]Umberta_[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This is so sweet!! I’ve personally been trying to be better about telling people what I love and appreciate about them.

[–]DeneralVisease 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do this, too! I find it awesome you do! I wanna leave the world a better place for the future generations and I think it starts in the small details like these.

[–]21stcenturyghost 1331 points1332 points  (37 children)

Not trying to be crass or conspiracy-theorist, but the most dangerous time for abused women is when they're trying to leave their abusive partner. Because the partners kill them.

[–]Umberta_[S] 529 points530 points  (21 children)

Oh I completely agree - but no, she was in a completely different state when she took her life, left a note too… so yeah… I was in disbelief when I heard the news from her husband but sadly, it happened 😭.

[–]Wubbalubbadubbitydo 316 points317 points  (11 children)

Honestly, he’s probably was so insufferable, that she genuinely felt like she couldn’t leave and still be happy. She knew that she’d have to either carry the guilt of whatever he decides to throw on her or have to fend him off and she was probably just too fucking tired at that point. I’m sorry for your loss OP.

[–]Umberta_[S] 133 points134 points  (0 children)

She had such a huge heart and really did feel extremely guilty that she wanted to leave, I assured her that she needed to do what was best for her, whether that was physically separating from him giving her time to think or divorcing him.

[–]iscream4eyecream 136 points137 points  (8 children)

Not to mention she’d have to make palimony payments to the dead beat if they divorced

[–]Sarge4242006 140 points141 points  (1 child)

Yup, my sister wanted to divorce until she found out she’d have to pay alimony. She quit her job instead and they survived (barely) on his SSI. He was a drug addict. He finally OD’d & we were hoping she could start fresh but dies 4 months later of sepsis after surgery to remove a tumor she didn’t know she had. 😞

[–]Mish_Moneypenny 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Jesus wept! Some people just can't catch a break.

[–]fart-atronach 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Eh, not necessarily. He was capable of working but chose not to, they didn’t have kids for him to take care of. He didn’t maintain their life or add value to their household, so there’s a very good chance he wouldn’t be awarded alimony.

[–]Shadyhollowfarm58 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A coworker of mine divorced her husband and he tried to get alimony. She had copies of tax returns showing that he used to make decent money before he just up and decided to quit his job and sometimes work part time at places like Home Depot. It wasn't for 10 years though, I think it was 5-7.

He didn't get alimony because his lawyer told him no judge is going to make her pay it when he's capable of working at a decent wage but just doesn't feel like it. They had no minor children.

[–]Comeback_321 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not true. Depends on the state. My friends lawyer said he could take her to the cleaners and they’ve only been married 3 yrs 

[–]Txphotog903 -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

Palimony only applies to people who aren't married.

[–]oooortclouuud 1 point2 points  (1 child)

that's the definition, I don't know why you're getting downvoted. f'n reddit 🤦‍♀️

[–]Txphotog903 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's so good. They probably just don't like me correcting someone.

[–]Fearless-Fox-318 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Omg this is so fucking true! Sometimes people just don't let go and they guilt trip you to stay. Sometimes after being with someone for so long, they know the spouse's secrets and that is another reason people don't leave because they might use that against them when they try to leave.

[–]RepeatMammoth8407 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Were you able to read her last words?

[–]Umberta_[S] 83 points84 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I know her handwriting and… she left one last doodle 💔. She was my best friend of 20 years and I remembered her doodling in high school, it was definitely her.

[–]RepeatMammoth8407 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I don't doubt that! Just was hoping you were able to! I'm glad you were. That's so interesting that she left a drawing as well! I'm sorry she's not here anymore! She sounds like she was lovely.

[–]No-Consideration-858 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry you lost your dear friend.

[–]Rainbow-Smite 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Poor thing, she probably knew that it was likely she would have to pay alimony if she divorced him. I'm so sorry for your loss.

[–]EmploymentAbject4019 87 points88 points  (1 child)

I have a similar story to OP. The last time we hung out she was talking about getting her own space back and she even left early for an interview. I learned of her death the day after Thanksgiving. It’s BS, people heard them fighting the same day and he “found” her but police let him go cause it’s a small town. They just chalked it up to her and let him go. 5 year anniversary just passed.

[–]fatsalmon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

😭😭😭

[–]Rogue_bae 353 points354 points  (2 children)

Why did my mind go here as well :(

[–]Daydreaming_demond 97 points98 points  (0 children)

Mine too

[–]emmennwhy 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Same

[–]imacatchyou 33 points34 points  (1 child)

This happened to my best friend. They broke up and before she could move out he shot her in her sleep. And then himself. At least the trash took itself out. Stupid motherfucker.

[–]Umberta_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Omg that’s terrible ! 😣 I’m so so sorry this happened to your friend 🥺

[–]Dangerous_Song_972 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Yep. She was talking about leaving and then dies? And the husband says it's suicide? Fucking sus as hell.

[–]Zestyclose_Media_548 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I was also thinking - how do we actually know she killed herself? I’m hoping there was an autopsy and investigation.

[–]Umberta_[S] 64 points65 points  (3 children)

She left a note, her handwriting, her last doodle-in her style.

There was an autopsy but I’ll never know the results now bc I cut contact with the husband. Her husband has her phone now—(which sucks on a whole other level that I don’t feel comfortable texting that number anymore) and he saw her searches and timestamps so he had a pretty good idea of what she took… the police sucked btw.. they said they couldn’t unlock her phone bc they didn’t have the passcode, then they asked her husband what he found 🙄case closed.

It does give me comfort that now he sees and knows how angry she was at him, in her own words.

[–]Druu- 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Wow and he still wrote a book, presumably about his own pain?

[–]Umberta_[S] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Oh apparently it’s “their story” talking about her suicide, then the attempt he made on his own life. It has her full name, picture and everything it just disgusts me. People grieve differently I guess.

Keep in mind, he wrote this knowing full well she was trying to leave him 🙄.

[–]Zestyclose_Media_548 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry for your loss. Sending you my best mom hugs.

[–]GETitOFFmeNOW 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Time for a revolver and a harness that's a semi-permanent part of your wardrobe. Shower with that fucking thing. Every day, 137 women die at the hands of their partners. The #1 killer of pregnant women is men.

Get to know a .38.

[–]Wonderful_Papaya9999 165 points166 points  (2 children)

This is a super important post.

It is a wake up call to me.

Thank you.

[–]bourgeoishooplah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sending love your way ❤️

[–]Umberta_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sending love, care, and strength your way. Hope you’re doing ok 🙏🏻

[–]wellOkayEnough 307 points308 points  (50 children)

Oh god. I've been with my boyfriend for several years, we actually met on MySpace. He hasn't had a job since Obama was president. I feel like I'm dead inside.

[–]=^..^=Larry-Man 279 points280 points  (39 children)

Leave. Just do it. Trust me.

[–]wellOkayEnough 71 points72 points  (38 children)

I actually did leave him a year and a half ago. Left one morning with a note on the table, and I hopped on a plane and saw my family. I felt so overwhelmingly guilty that I went back home to him after two weeks. I even Zelle'd five hundred dollars on the day I left because I felt like a monster. He has no family to go to, like I literally can't call up his mom and tell her to come get him. She died a few years ago. He's pushed friends away. I'm literally all he's got.

Editing comment for visibility: I got myself in therapy when I returned home to him. My therapist went on medical leave in August and I will meet my new one on Friday.

Sometimes I fantasize about coming into a windfall of cash, so I could be like "here, now you can afford to fix your truck". His truck has been sitting in the driveway for the past two years, in need of repairs that I can't afford. Then, in my fantasy land, I rent a cute studio apartment with a nice view and then I can aggressively save money.

He does most of the household chores. Sometimes it's "oh honey you work so hard to pay for everything this is the least I could do" and sometimes it's "how do I know you'll be able to do the dishes up to my standards?" He complains about the housework on a daily basis and well, when I offer to do chores too, I get either one of those responses from him.

[–]yashanyd00rin 198 points199 points  (9 children)

There’s a reason for that. Leave him, protect yourself. He will grow from it too if that helps you feel more ok with it.

[–]Primary_Pressure9579 28 points29 points  (8 children)

I second this girl! I am just now getting the mental shackles off of a year long bond I had with someone.

I'm a very emotional creature and sometimes dudes -try- to take advantage.

The last one is currently figuring out what to do with the upcoming cold evening and the eviction he mentioned.

Feeling/caring for people should not hurt you in any way.

I'm learning to make that my mantra.

[–]rohrspatz 92 points93 points  (1 child)

I'm literally all he's got.

He literally has all day every day to make friends, find community, and improve himself/his life. I can only imagine that it's fully his fault that he's in this position. His complete lack of support network is not your responsibility. Please realize that you're seriously considering throwing away your entire life, including any chance of a happy, mutually-beneficial relationship, just to save this man from the consequences of his own decisions. Is that all you think you're worth?

[–]Umberta_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

💯!!!

[–]twistedspin 74 points75 points  (0 children)

I understand feeling like that but yet, if you died tomorrow and he got nothing from you, he'd still find a way to eat dinner. I promise you, he would figure it out. He will never do anything else and this will always be your life if you don't let go of this idea and trust that this full grown adult, who took care of himself just fine before he met you, can do it again if he actually wanted to. He just doesn't want to.

[–]maracat1989 48 points49 points  (1 child)

My mom never left my dad because she is all he has. She feels guilty and sorry for him. She is in her 70s and is hoping he dies first so she can have a few years of happiness before her time comes

[–]maracat1989 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Fun thing is, I told her he would likely outlive her. He’s had a stress-free laid back life of being catered to. She’s the one with high blood pressure

[–]Speciaalbiertj 41 points42 points  (0 children)

You're not responsible for his happiness. Resentment will be all that's left in the end.

[–]InfinityTuna 18 points19 points  (1 child)

You know that scene in Titanic, where passengers are flailing around in the ice-cold ocean, and the ones without a lifebelt are blindly climbing onto the people with lifebelts, pushing the latter's heads underwater to keep themselves afloat?

You're wearing a lifebelt. He isn't. Are you going to let him drown you, or push him off and save yourself?

Yes, it's harsh and easier typed than done, but in the end, you're not helping him by letting him continue living as you are. You're letting him continue stagnating on your dime and time. Leave. Save yourself, and let him figure out where he goes from here on his own. Some people have to hit rock bottom before they learn to stand back up on their own two feet, and he won't learn any other way, at this point.

And, please, find a therapist. This guilt is something you need a professional to help you process. You can't save a drowning man by letting him use your body as a flotation device, and you can't beat yourself up for choosing Life, just because it means someone will have to learn to sink or swim. You can help him out in small ways by paying fo the occasional bit of groceries, if that helps, but don't stay and don't coddle him. Just go. Be happy. Let him learn how to grow up.

[–]Shadyhollowfarm58 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your comment reminds me of the adage "don't set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm".

[–]=^..^=Larry-Man 9 points10 points  (5 children)

I am speaking from experience: it takes multiple attempts to successfully leave. You can do this. If he’s putting all of this weight on you is he taking any off in return? I doubt it. He’s loading you up with guilt and resentment.

Your job is not to coddle him. He will either stand on his own two feet or collapse but it’s not your job to “fix” him.

[–]wellOkayEnough 10 points11 points  (4 children)

It's been weighing on my mind for a while. How do I exit the relationship without making him destitute and homeless? I feel stuck, logistically and emotionally.

I actually created this account a few months ago and blocked him on this one, he knows my main. I've been so scared to post something but I think I needed to see this today.

[–]=^..^=Larry-Man 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Not your job. Some people are life rafts and some people are anchors keeping you from where you need to go. He’s holding you back. You’re a kind person but the world doesn’t exactly work for kind people. You can do this. There is nothing wrong about hurting people’s feelings if they’re hurting yours.

[–]Basically April Ludgatekoalakittens 8 points9 points  (0 children)

People can survive being destitute and homeless. He’s literally banking on you feeling too guilty to abandon him. He’ll struggle for a while, and then he’ll have to figure something out. He’s an adult. Let him act like it.

[–]peppermint-tea-yay 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He is a grown man sponging off of you, and he needs to figure it out. Guilt is complicated, but he’s counting on that to keep you where you are. Turn the tables here-would you do this to someone? No, you would not. You deserve better than this. Cut him off, and go!

[–]Shadyhollowfarm58 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unless you raised him from birth, he was at one time capable of taking care of himself. People rise to the challenge in front of them unless they decide to be homeless and begging for food. Lazy ones will take the easy way out by dumping responsibility onto someone else.

What you're feeling is what I think is called codependent. You've taken over full responsibility for him like he's a baby, but he's not. He's an adult.

[–]cool. coolcoolcool.lovewithsky 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I was in a somewhat similar situation. Supported him for years. I questioned what he would do without me. Well when he got me pregnant I continued to push for him to get work. He said all of it was just too much for him and if I didn’t get an abortion he was leaving me. He got in his car (that I put gas in) and moved back to his mamas house that very day. I’m done supporting a man and done being with men who can’t help themselves

[–]wellOkayEnough 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oof. So I had the Mirena IUD when I first met him. Got it taken out after being with him for three years because it was time to get it removed. He encouraged me not to get on birth control again because he was worried about how artificial hormones would affect my health. Oh yeah, and the Mirena strings injured him one time. We did condoms or the pull out method. I got pregnant in 2018 and I had hoped it would encourage him to get back into the workforce. We chose abortion instead, with him promising me that he'll get his shit together within two years and we'll try for a baby. At the time I was sad that he couldn't or wouldn't step up, but now I'm so grateful we made that decision.

I am now taking birth control pills and he has no idea. He still talks about wanting to have a baby with me. I'm 38 and he's 42.

[–]cool. coolcoolcool.lovewithsky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m grateful for you too! Always choose yourself. I’m glad I made the same choice for myself

[–]Zen_CanisLupus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That 3rd paragraph tells me that you want to go. You left him once and guilt brought you back - not love. There is your answer! You can still care for him as a friend from afar and not as his girlfriend. I think you will be so much happier if you leave. It will be hard at first but you just may also feel relief, and you will feel more alive as each day goes by.

[–]sparkledoom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You might be surprised how quickly people find their feet (or another sucker) when they don’t have you anymore. I broke up with a leech boyfriend in my 20s. He had even gotten physical with me once and I didn’t break up with him then because I was scared he’d be homeless on the street. I put all his stuff into storage while he was away and paid for I think 3 months upfront, trying to be so nice. He slept on some couches and almost instantly was living with/dependent on another woman. I only wished I had done it sooner.

[–]Stabbyhorse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a brother like that. He stayed with me and wouldn't move out until I pushed him. Then he was suddenly able to manage. He stayed with a friend that got rid of him by moving in with family and ending the lease.  He always manages

[–]miami515 1 point2 points  (3 children)

That guilt can be so heavy, especially when you feel responsible for someone else's well-being. It's good you're in therapy now; hopefully, it helps you navigate those feelings. Just remember, you deserve to prioritize your own mental health too.

[–]wellOkayEnough 5 points6 points  (2 children)

And boy does he have a lotta fuckin feelings. Sometimes he'll do this "I'm sorry I'm such a loser, it's not going to be like this forever, I want to take care of you, I want to shower you with gifts" thing and it used to make me go aww! But lately, I'm realizing I've heard the same goddamned thing for years.

[–]Umberta_[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That’s exactly how her husband was!!! To the point that my friend just gave up and stopped complaining to him, her resentment growing ☹️

[–]wellOkayEnough 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck, that sounds familiar. I just got prescribed Lexapro yesterday and I meet my new therapist tomorrow.

[–]Umberta_[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I hope everything goes well with your appointment tomorrow. You should rephrase your statement as, “His truck has been sitting in the driveway for the past two years, in need of repairs that HE can’t afford.” You don’t owe him anything and you have no legal obligation to provide for him. He can either sell the truck or get a job to pay for repairs himself, even if it’s part time.

This was my friends situation too. She felt extremely guilty about wanting to leave him bc she was all he had. She kept telling me, “it’s not like he hits me…” which broke my heart bc even though it wasn’t physical abuse, it was definitely emotional and financial abuse.

He also didn’t mind taking care of the home and cooking while she worked. I told her that what he was doing was the bare minimum of a partnership. He knew there was debt and he initially called it her debt. I told her she was providing for the both of them and their 4 pets for 10 years… the expenses added up and without financial support from him, of course she was going to be in debt. It just disgusts me that even after he learned about the debt, he was ok with her taking on another fcking job, burning herself out.

They say during an emergency, it’s important to put the oxygen mask on yourself first before you can help others. I hope you can apply this to yourself and your mental health needs 🙏🏻

[–]wellOkayEnough 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. You picked up on a lot without me having to say it. He tells me I'm financially abusive because I control all the money. Part of me knows that's DARVO, part of me wonders if he's right. When I tried showing him my budget spreadsheet, he said I was trying to make him feel bad for not working. He says he should get an allowance. I Zelle him whenever he asks. It's for the blue check mark on the social media app he posts his rants on. 😐

[–]Wise-Computer4137 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if you fixed his truck he's still fundamentally unable to do anything for himself. Why do you feel responsible for his pain. Look at your maternal lineage. Some conditioning we need to break. 

[–]Umberta_[S] 75 points76 points  (0 children)

OP, please, I’m speaking on behalf of my friend who is no longer here (I’m also grieving so I’m sorry if this sounds dramatic) - consider giving yourself space from this man before all you see is the darkness around you. You are entitled to your happiness and livelihood, go out there and start living and finding happiness where you can 💜

[–]Zestyclose_Media_548 40 points41 points  (2 children)

Your worth is not defined by his treatment of you. Is he disabled ? If so does he have a diagnosis and has he gone to social security if you are in the United States. If there is no disability - what are his reasons for not working? If he’s depressed he needs to get help. I think working and having a purpose actually can help those of us with lifelong depression.

[–]wellOkayEnough 29 points30 points  (1 child)

It's a whole thing, with years of nuances and backstory. We had already been together for two years before I moved in with him. I moved in with him after my mom died, and I had also gone through a child custody case against my child's father. (Again, whole big backstory that probably deserves its own fucking novel) I couldn't afford to live in my apartment anymore. He said myself and my kiddo could move in, he'd help the little one get to/from school. Within a few months, he was having panic attacks about his job. He used to be a carpenter. His thumb had an argument with a table saw one day and required surgery to reattach it. I totally understand this. I've never asked him to go back to carpentry. Just something, anything, even part time.

Then it seemed like the goalposts kept moving. Oh, childcare is expensive so actually he's saving us money by not working.

My kid is now 18 years old and moved out of the house.

The physical ailments. His body hurt from all those years of carpentry and I should be lucky he's not a pill popper or an alcoholic. He was physically abused when he was a kid that resulted in getting hit in the head pretty badly. He gets headaches. He says he doesn’t know how he’s supposed to work a normal job when he gets headaches like this, no employer would be understanding enough, and he doesn’t want his health in the hands of the government, so he doesn’t want to use medicaid and see a doctor.

The emotional side of him. It's pretty fucking volatile.

[–]Zestyclose_Media_548 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Nobody wants you to be this unhappy. He’s too messed up and selfish to think about your wants and needs. The good news is you are not married. Please take some time and find out how to evict him. Perhaps have some one else come and stay with you as a witness and maybe put some cameras up. He has no regard for your wellbeing. All he has is excuses. He is offering zero solutions. A good partner would do everything in their power to get help , government assistance, or get a job. I absolutely don’t think staying home and being helpless and scared helps anybody. I’ve read that many people that are disabled actually hate being home and would prefer to work. I have had problems with my mental health my whole life . It’s not my fault. What is in my control is how I deal with it- going to the doctor and getting meds and making and attending follow up appointments. I also do therapy. I get up hours before going to work so I can be fully awake and positive when I get to work. I make choices to help myself. I’ve also received a lot of support. You’ve given him a lot of support- he’s choosing to not take the steps necessary to try to get better / get assistance/ or to get a job.

[–]Wonderful_Papaya9999 28 points29 points  (2 children)

In it with you. I don’t feel dead yet so I am heeding the warning in this post. I am setting myself up to leave. Mark my words, in two years I will be out of this relationship.

[–]Umberta_[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why two years? Life is too precious to waste time 💜

[–]Wonderful_Papaya9999 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We have many layers of dependence including children and shared housing. There is not abuse happening, just a man who is incompetent and incapable of being an adult. It’s important to me that I do not send myself and my kids into crisis in order to exit this situation. I feel like this is actually maturity to be able to recognize “wow, this is not what I want so it’s time to start moving toward something else” without burning the whole thing down.

[–]jennyfromtheeblock 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Honey. Just leave.

There is nothing worth saving here.

[–]Telvin3d 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It’s time to start living again. You’re ready 

[–]jennyfromtheeblock 43 points44 points  (0 children)

"If you are silent about your pain, they'll kill you and say you enjoyed it."

Zora Neale Hurston

I'm sorry about your friend. I agree with you - life is too short to stay anywhere you aren't happy.

[–]Fatal_Irony 155 points156 points  (2 children)

what a piece of shit. i can understand not wanting to work, i hate working, but you do what you have to for your family, because thats what being an adult means. i cant believe this dickwad is living out there, sucking in all of that fresh clean air like a parasite to everyone around him.

[–]Umberta_[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

SAME, you took the words right out of my mouth.

[–]IRLbeets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And if you can't work there's disability, or going back to school for something more suitable. Or he could take care of the house. There are ways to be a kept spouse so to speak, and that's not it.

(At least in Canada school is a bit cheaper, not sure I'd suggest the same in the US.)

[–]Northern_dragon 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Hits hard, girl.

I've been helping out an old friend all day. She attempted to overdose this morning, because she feels stuck and doesn't know what to do with her bf and her life. She's been with him for 2 years, and I never got a good vibe from him the way she talked about him. They live abroad so I can't physically be there.

He doesn't work and she does, but he owns an apartment. So she should be able to save up (he managed his finances just fine before she moved in) but all her money is spent somehow. He apparently berates her on all the smallest things constantly. She's just exhausted.

She did contact her sister, myself and another friend. We got together, and managed to get her emergency medical care and an ambulance to go to her. Her sister got her a hotel for now. Now we're hoping to talk her into coming back home if only just a bit, so she could experience some peace for a while. I'm really hoping that she takes this chance and leaves him.

[–]Umberta_[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Omg I’m so sorry, if she needs to read this post feel free to share, I just wish my friend stepped away from the situation for longer, just to distance herself from it. People that are energy vampires are NOT WORTH IT 👏🏼.

[–]Shadyhollowfarm58 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The best gift you can give her is a soft landing away from the parasite who is mistreating her. When she's away from him for a bit she'll hopefully realize how much more peaceful she feels. It's crucial that he NOT be allowed to talk to her or he'll do everything he can to undermine her resolve to get free.

[–]amurderofcrows 112 points113 points  (1 child)

I’m so sorry for your loss. You were a huge support for your friend just by being there for her and providing a healthy, loving friendship for her. Thank you for sharing this post.

[–]❤wanunderstandme53 21 points22 points  (0 children)

some people drain the light out of others and act confused when everything goes dark around them

[–]jadeoracle 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Hugs. I lost my sister 2.5 weeks ago, due to financial pressures from her husband and her thinking he was going to divorce her and take away her child.

I had tried in her last few weeks to let her know he was a blocker for her mental health, that he wasn't telling her true things, and it would be better if she got help regardless of his thoughts on the matter. But it was too late.

[–]Umberta_[S] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I’m so so sorry to hear this!! I’ve been attending a grief by suicide group and we’ve come to the conclusion that sometimes, all logic goes out the window and all that person can see is darkness and only one way out. I’m so sorry you lost your sister this way.

[–]jadeoracle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Yeah I still need to figure out groups and therapy. Sorry for your loss as well.

[–]PacmanPillow 47 points48 points  (1 child)

I’m sorry for your loss. You don’t need to speak to your late friends husband ever again. His grief is not your problem.

[–]Umberta_[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Thank you and agree ~ he was blocked months ago and it’s the best thing I’ve done for myself.

[–]Basically Dorothy ZbornakLoanSudden1686 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I am so sorry for your loss, especially because I unfortunately know what you're going through. I won't get into specifics because this shouldn't be about me, but I had a very dear friend in a very similar situation. She lost her battle years ago but the grief and self-blame and regret are still very real. I hope you find a way to heal and keep her memory and story present. Sending you very sympathetic hugs.

[–]Umberta_[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Feel free to message me if you’d like to chat. When this happened I felt so alone because she was my constant and not being able to chat with her daily was just heart breaking for me. It’s been 9 months since everything happened and the good days now outweigh the bad, even during these winter months when I usually get the blues.

[–]Basically Dorothy ZbornakLoanSudden1686 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, it's been more than 10 years and I still can't listen to our song.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

So sorry to hear about your friend OP. I often go to this nice nature reserve in my town and there is a spot I pass by. I can not pass by without thinking of this poor woman I never even knew, but she one day went to this spot and took pills that ended her life. I heard she had a job at a local fish factory and had a few children. She was apparently in an abusive relationship. I feel so sad for her and also for the poor person who was walking their dog in early morning and found her body. I don't even know her name. I wonder what her children are doing now.

The abusive partner? No doubt he has already found another victim.

[–]RedditParticipantNow 33 points34 points  (2 children)

I’m so sorry for your loss. I divorced a man just like her lousy husband. Luckily I was only in that starter marriage for a few years. Being with a person like that will absolutely destroy you in the long run. 😭

[–]Umberta_[S] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I’m so so glad you got out when you did 🥺

[–]RedditParticipantNow 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you! Sending you hugs. 🫂

[–]voicelessechoes 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Damn your friend deserved better. 

[–]Ok-disaster2022 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry for your loss.

I have a friend who is in a bad marriage and she discussed harming herself instead of just getting a divorce. It's the most jarring thing how she just refuses to get a divorce. and she's had divorces in the past, just not without kids involved. 

[–]leeloocal 14 points15 points  (2 children)

There’s a Jewish saying, “May their memory be a blessing,” and I think about it a lot when I think about people who left us too soon. I hope your friend’s memory is a blessing, and I’m truly sorry that she had to endure what she did.

[–]Umberta_[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It really is, I’m grateful to have known her and I catch little glimpses of her once in a while, whether it’s an ABBA song playing, someone singing, or a cute stuffed animal. I’ve been sharing how I feel more and just appreciating life a little more too.

[–]leeloocal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I try to do that as well with my friend. She was from Hawaii, so every time I have some musubi (the first thing she made for me), I say hey to her.

[–]Lady_Loki24 11 points12 points  (1 child)

This was me. I financially supported my ex-husband for 5yrs because he refused to get a profitable job (think entrepreneur/life coach). I resented him to a point where I no longer found him attractive and thought I was completely lesbian. I was depressed and thought about ending it a few times (my cats were more comforting and a deterrent not to do it than him)

While visiting my mom and sister for an extended period of time they said my demeanor was different and it looked like he was sucking the life out of me.

[–]Umberta_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m so glad you are on the other side of it now - I hope you’re doing well and taking it one day at a time 💜

[–]thedancingkat 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I am so sorry for your loss. Reading this, it could have been written by one of my own friends sans the tragic ending.

Again I am so sorry. I wish I had better words of comfort for you.

[–]darknesswascheap 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I am so sorry -

[–]Wolfshadow6 9 points10 points  (0 children)

In a very similar boat with my spouse (MtF Trans)- I'm trying to hold space because I know how messed up she is from her own childhood but, she also has a bunch of the same behaviors as your friend's husband.

I've definitely felt the resentment build- and we've been together almost 14 years.

The issue is I'm now too physically disabled now (bad back getting much worse - it's weird, it's like I hit age 40 and everything started hitting the fan...) to be able to work a "normal" job and my spouse is now the breadwinner. But that's literally all they do.

They don't drive and that means as of right now I've been having to be their ride for anything.

Sending you much love and support. I think we all need to start emulating binobos and not chimpanzees....

[–]multiverse-wanderer 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I had a childhood friend commit suicide when we were 20 due to the actions of her abusive ex. She had told her best friend that she didn’t think she would ever be truly able to get away from him. I still think about her constantly.

20 years old. I’m 27 now, and although everyone was aware of what a tragedy it was at the time, it has only gotten more painful as the years go by. She was a child who felt so lost, alone, and broken that she felt she had no alternatives. I don’t remember much of the details, but I remember her family had no idea what had been going on behind the scenes. I think they just thought she was going through a wild phase, as she was partying and experimenting a lot…but in hindsight, it’s easy to see that was probably a call for help, or at least an indication that something was going on. It’s easy to look back and see the warning signs so clearly.

She had such a vibrant spirit. She was friendly and kind to everyone. She had a magnetic personality that was so infectious. I wish with all my heart she could have had the courage to leave, to move away, to do something…but obviously, I don’t blame her, and never would. I just feel sad she’s not here anymore.

Thank you for sharing your friends story. I have no doubt many other women have been lost in similar ways due to the abusive men in their life.

[–]Tictacs_and_strategy 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It seemed to me their marriage started off ok, supportive, they were both happy, he genuinely loved and cared for her and she deserved that. However for some reason he did not work for almost 10 years… just because she said she didn’t mind being the breadwinner, doesn’t mean she was happy with being the sole earner. That should be obvious right? Especially in today’s economy!!?

I talked to her almost everyday. Over the years I heard her resentment build up towards him. Towards the end she was a shell of herself, more quiet, reserved, no more expression of anger-it broke my heart. She really wanted to leave him, to the point where she packed her important belongings and booked a one way ticket. I thought she just needed to distance herself from her husband, to figure out what she wanted. She told me she resented him and didn’t love him anymore, she just wanted to divorce and was already thinking about another guy. I was so hopeful she was on a path towards more positivity…

I don't say this to blame your friend in any way, just to (hopefully) stop this sort of thing from happening iin others' lives

If your partner is doing something/you feel obligated to do something that makes you feel resentful, please talk to your partner about it. And if they are not willing to change things, please leave.

If it is already at the point where you want to leave, you aren't doing your partner a favour by staying - you're probably somewhere between providing for a dependent and enabling a delusion. The husband in this post was unable or unwilling to see what was happening. Not leaving him only allowed the lie to continue.

[–]Umberta_[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Agree - if your partner does not show concern or take action, if they deflect or place any blame on you, show no accountability, it’s time to move on.

[–]PewPewthashrew 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A loved family member of mine stayed with a husband for far too long who took advantage of her working and never worked himself. Even once the kids were older and could look after themselves. It broke her in a way I haven’t seen a person be broken since. She actually had a nervous breakdown and never fully came back from it.

When she finally left I was so happy for her. Because underneath it all she was still there in some way.

What he did to your friend was wrong. And it was evil. If you have to stay in connection with him to properly grieve or attend the funeral that’s completely understandable but please get the proper support and help that you need and deserve to make it through this.

I’m sorry he broke your friend until she was pushed towards this outcome. I hope you and your other loved ones are hanging in there. you sound like a very loving and true friend.

Y’all were lucky to have each other and I hope you keep hanging in there.

[–]ObviousWombat623 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh god, this hits home. I came so close to being her. I had the whole thing planned out. Thankfully, we had a kid and I just couldn’t for the actual, literal life of me be OK with the idea of him being the sole parent in kiddo’s life.

It’s been 18 years since I left. It wasn’t easy, but it’s so, so much better.

[–]Interesting-Kiwi-109 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It sounds like you are talking about my sister, who took her life 15 yrs ago. Her lazy ass husband died of cancer after her death. If he’d have died first, she’d probably still be here

[–]LittleLostDoll 4 points5 points  (0 children)

*hugs you and her if wanted*

[–]Exact_Bluebird5258 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Can I thank you for writing this? I’m finding myself in a similar situation to your friend and am struggling with convincing myself that it’s not that bad. My husband has been out of work for about nine months but has yet to make any moves towards finding a new position. He is unhappy and has no desire to move towards a happier life and seems pretty content keeping me as the sole breadwinner. He has slowly become less kind and more critical over the past 5-10 years and I am starting to see how my own mental health is suffering. I’ve had a number of “signs” appear over the past week or so that have made me think it may be time to seriously think about making some major life changes, this post has pushed me to continue to look at things in a different light.

[–]Umberta_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

<<hugs>> Im sorry you’re being treated that way, since the pressure is all on you, you don’t deserve that treatment. It sounds like your husband is depressed, but that’s still no excuse to put you down. I told my friend since she was the breadwinner she could dictate how money is spent (ie not paying for certain things of his like a stupid Xbox membership or whatever). If he didn’t like it, he could get off his ass and get a job. I hope things get better for you in the long run.

[–]Honest-Elk-7300 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Are you sure he didn’t kill her and try to frame it as a suicide?

[–]Nother1BitestheCrust 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I am so, so sorry for your loss. Please talk to someone in your life about her and your grief as you need to. Grieving someone that died to suicide is different and weirder than grieving other deaths. Take care of yourself.

[–]Umberta_[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you - honestly since grieving I’ve been forming new connections since she was my constant for 20 years and I really needed to step outside my comfort zone and create new bonds 🥺. Also this event made me realize who the real ones are.

There are grief by suicide groups as well. They have helped me tremendously to realize, sadly, I’m not alone in this type of loss.

[–]ModerateSympathy[🍰] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I really sorry for your loss. I wish your friend had the life she deserves vs. the one she got. And I truly hope that he didn’t get any money from her estate/life insurance.

[–]Maleficent-Sleep9900 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry for your loss 💔

[–]honeybeemarie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Needed to see this today as I’m recently officially 2 years out of the relationship that would have killed me. (Very similar dynamic in the relationship except we have a child as well)

Thanks for sharing your friends story, OP. 💜 I wish you well

[–]el_bandita 47 points48 points  (7 children)

Why did you not call him out on it? It feels like another woman in his life is trying not to hurt his feelings. He is not your friend, you had nothing to lose to tell him he is the reason his wife is dead.

[–]weightyconsequences 38 points39 points  (0 children)

OP is grieving too. Confronting the guy takes anger and energy. Let’s just focus on supporting them rather than judging

[–]Umberta_[S] 37 points38 points  (5 children)

I kept my opinion out of it bc he’s already grieving the loss pretty badly. I don’t see a point kicking someone when they’re already down. Besides, he tried taking his own life afterwards, that was when I cut contact with him bc I don’t need to deal with that shit.

[–]IHaveNoEgrets 89 points90 points  (1 child)

Granted, I'm a horrible, horrible person, but I would ask myself: I he grieving the loss of a beloved partner, or is he grieving the loss of his source of funding?

Leave him be. He doesn't deserve your concern, and you deserve to grieve without him being a pain.

[–]GloomyWorldliness796 32 points33 points  (0 children)

exactly. it doesn’t sound like he’s grieving her. he sounds like he’s grieving the loss of his easy, comfortable life

[–]CrossingGarter 26 points27 points  (1 child)

He's not grieving, he's feeling sorry for himself. This is possibly the only time someone will get him to pull his head out of his ass and maybe it will be a wake up call. Consider letting the truth be the last gift you can give your friend.

[–]=^..^=Larry-Man 5 points6 points  (0 children)

At the same time it’s very hard to do this to someone’s face. You have to well and truly hate them to be this honest at this time. OP needs to look out for herself first and honestly rehabbing this piece of shit by getting angry is already spending too much emotional energy on him when she’s already grieving. It won’t solve anything.

[–]imalreadydead123 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He is just " grieving" his meal ticket. Stop coddling this piece of s... Not working for 10 years...Jesus

[–]TheMorgwar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This was me!!! I didn’t even realize how suicidal I had become. It started as a fantasy, like lusting for forbidden fruit. The idea that I could just stand at the end of the golden gate bridge, fall backward, into the beautiful bay, hugged in her bosom, like taking the Lipton plunge, the wind and seagulls, and then the movie would turn off, and it would be over.

My mind kept returning to this daydream involuntarily, with a twinkle in my eye and a sly little grin. I didn’t know I was being abused.

I looked up suicide on Reddit. It said suicidal thoughts happen when the experience of pain exceeds the ability to cope with pain. It said the best thing to do is “tell someone.”

I told my husband I was thinking about suicide 200 times a day … and he shrugged and walked off.

I decided it was time to move, to another state without this big red bridge in my face.

We divorced two years later and the thoughts faded and thankfully I am still here. It could have easily gone the other way.

[–]Umberta_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing, I’m so glad you’re here as well 🙏🏻

[–]Economy-Buy660 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry for your loss. 

If it helps anyone UK-based, there is a  campaign right now to better utilise laws to ensure perpetrators of domestic violence face justice for driving their victims to suicide. The laws do already exist but are not really used. 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/oct/25/enforce-law-when-suicide-linked-to-domestic-violence-say-uk-campaigners

[–]Shadyhollowfarm58 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry you lost your friend. She carried too much weight for too long. I wouldn't blame you for giving her husband a dressing down for his role in causing her to lose all hope. And you're correct that when a relationship is draining us like that, we need to get out in any way possible.

[–]LisontheInternet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry for your loss. I’ve been divorced a year and it’s shocking how stigmatized divorce still is. I wish people realized that in many cases, the decision is life or death. Thanks for honoring her here <3

[–]fleshbarf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ugh this is heartbreaking. So sorry for your loss 💔🫂

[–]harposgost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was suicidal before I left my marriage of almost 40 years. It hurt so badly that I gave and gave and gave and all I got was the bare minimum. We'd moved to an area where I couldn't seem to make friends. I had no social life, He didn't want to go out except to occasionally eat at restaurants he liked, never went to the movies, or took a trip, the only gifts I got were from my adult children. He couldn't f*cking bother to clean the house while I worked a 40+ hour week or cook dinner when I came home tired. I finally left and moved to Europe to get away from the emotional black hole my life had become. The male loneliness epidemic is complete horse shite. No one gives a flying fig about the loneliness of women carrying the burden men refuse to acknowledge and own. I envy gay women; they seem to have better options than us idiot straights.

[–]Smile-Cat-Coconut 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Here’s a good place to keep talking out your grief: r/suicidebereavement

[–]Umberta_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, I’m in this one already. I have to look sparingly when I’m feeling strong because ooof… it brings me back to finding out the news all over again.

[–]Umberta_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I knew her for 20 years and it doesn’t feel like enough time, but I’m so grateful for the bond and raw honestly of our friendship and that we could share our true selves with each other. I had this post drafted for months, but finally felt strong enough to be responsive to comments. I’m trying to honor her memory everyday and live and enjoy life like how she would have wanted. She was a big advocate for mental health and I wanted to share this message incase anyone else needed to hear it.

I stayed in touch with him up till a little after the funeral. A lot of her friends didn’t attend because they also blame him, but I just wanted to show up and be near her (skipping the open casket part at the beginning bc I saw her just a few months before and that’s the way I want to remember her).

I’m grateful your family member got out and I hope she is on her way to healing and feeling whole again 🥺.

[–]ReapersWifey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you sure she killed herself? My first thought was that he found out she was planning to leave, and staged it.

[–]Worldly_Button_3390 -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

I am sorry for your loss.

I do not blame him for her death. She made choices and had lots of opportunities to change her situation.

I hope that other people learn from this unfortunate situation. If you need to make changes in your life, make changes. We cannot expect people to change who they are and we are not responsible to carry out that process.

The more accountable to our own actions, behavior, emotional well being, and situations- the more likely productive paths will be pursued.

Obviously, this guy was toxic and did not contribute. But your friend also engaged in unhealthy behavior for accepting him as he was. Something from her upbringing allowed her to ignore red flags from the beginning and seek a life with this guy. It is important that men and women are brought up in a way that equips them with the tools to avoid scenarios that become these sad set of circumstances.

[–]Straight-Payment-729 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The lady killed herself, have some fucking respect. Her husband was not “”””toxic””” he was terribly abusive.

 No one can make anyone kill themselves obviously but their behavior can certainly contribute to the feelings of hopelessness either way. This lady had no one to be “accountable” to about her relationship besides her husband and he clearly had no problem using her anyway. 

You don’t have to agree with the fact that she stayed. I’m sure most don’t. But this cruelty in the guise of accountability (I’m sure this woman no longer with us has plenty to account for) and neutrality is pretty gross. 

[–]Worldly_Button_3390 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

As this guy is described in this post, it’s irresponsible to label him as terribly abusive.

He did not contribute and was emotionally draining. There will always be a plethora of partners that fit this description, men and women. The friend had apt opportunity and resources to make changes.