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When people turn on women, they always decide she's ugly. Case in point, Sydney Sweeney (self.TwoXChromosomes)

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[–]timmiesgirl 3822 points3823 points  (75 children)

Yeah- I get the ick when ppl insult appearances. Tell me you havent mentally left highschool without telling me…

On the other hand— I totally get suddenly finding someone unattractive once you see their ugly personality. Its happened to me so many times where I think a guy is good looking, he acts like a POS, and then suddenly his face makes me genuinely feel disgust. But I would never choose to use unattractiveness in an aesthetic sense as a dig on a persons worth.

[–]Elle3786 912 points913 points  (6 children)

The second part is really true though. People seem less attractive when I know they’re a crappy person. I still know and can admit they’re good looking, but it’s more of an observation than something I feel at that point.

[–]KeyMyBike 333 points334 points  (3 children)

It works both ways too.

I can find someone plain looking, not really all too into them, but the more I see them in a positive light, the more I can't get them out of my head.

[–]RaishaDelos 70 points71 points  (1 child)

I've gone out with some absolute frogs looking back on it because of exactly this 😅

[–]Torontogamer 28 points29 points  (0 children)

They didn’t turn into princes after true loves kiss ? 

Oh noooo they’ve been lying to us all!  Hahah 

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    [–]_TwinkleFluff 123 points124 points  (0 children)

    Exactly, it's not even about being petty or mean, it’s just hard to unsee someone’s character once they’ve shown you who they are. Looks can fade fast when the personality underneath is trash

    [–]Apt_5 39 points40 points  (0 children)

    But that's different from the people denying she could possibly be considered pretty, as if it's an objective state. It isn't and acting like it is takes a shallow and misogynistic position toward women's value we should all fight all the time.

    [–]Piano_Mantis 425 points426 points  (34 children)

    I think, in Sweeney's case, it's easy to attack her appearance because that's her entire brand. She's never been a good actress. She's consistently posed in almost-pornographic photoshoots. She's got NOTHING going for her apart from her appearance, so people hit her where it will hurt.

    It's not right, but it makes sense. Perhaps if she had worked on developing her personality a bit more, she wouldn't be a white supremacist.

    [–]timmiesgirl 182 points183 points  (11 children)

    I actually think critiquing her acting and leaving poor movie reviews would be hitting her where it hurts tho.

    [–]SgtBollocks 87 points88 points  (2 children)

    True. She most likely knows she's an attractive person, but also knows her acting skills are not what made her famous.

    [–]GardenKeep 31 points32 points  (0 children)

    “She most likely knows she’s an attractive person”

    Dude. She obviously fucking knows. Lol.

    [–]timmiesgirl 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    True! I was actually thinking in terms of actually being practical/effective tho. If ppl don’t want to see her face anymore, flooding those movie critiquing sites like rotten tomatoes or whatever with poor reviews and ratings would actually have an effect on her ability to get future roles.

    Bc media is so polarized now any discussion that isnt related to a movie’s/actor’s performance right now is pretty much just viewed as chatter that will generate buzz which is seen as good.

    If ppl are hating on her appearance, there is gonna be just as many ppl responding, calling them haters and those ppl will probably be inclined to then show their support for her. Like Jeff Bezos’ wife saying she deserves and oscar 🫠

    [–]HeckuvaJoo 40 points41 points  (0 children)

    She’s box office poison. So mission accomplished lol.

    [–]FlyingBishop 35 points36 points  (4 children)

    But it's her sex appeal that gets her work, not her acting.

    [–]timmiesgirl 62 points63 points  (2 children)

    I don’t actually think “good looking” and “sex appeal” are synonymous.

    Like.. someone could leave a review saying “Wow.. crazy how little sex appeal this girl has on screen considering how attractive she is- Terrible actress. Hard to watch. 0/5 stars”

    That’s an honest, fair point without resorting to insulting appearance. And tbh that would pretty much be my honest opinion of that movie she did with glen powell 😬 I thought all the scenes where there was supposed to be sexual chemistry came off as stiff or awkward or something. Like she wasn’t even playing a person and instead just.. trying to look sexy? I don’t know. Hard to put my finger on.

    [–]staunch_character 41 points42 points  (0 children)

    Very true. Kim Kardashian looks beautiful in photos but I saw a clip of her new show & it occurred to me I’ve never seen her move or speak before. She’s weirdly off putting & has 0 sex appeal IMO.

    Ditto Sweeney.

    Tbf I haven’t seen a ton of her work. She was up against Ana de Armas in the last movie I saw her in, playing a dowdy housewife & was very believable.

    I think she’s famous for her chest more than her face though.

    [–]FlyingBishop 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    I felt like I really enjoyed looking at them in that movie with Glen Powell but I didn't find either of them at all attractive, just like, aesthetically pleasing without any trace of sexual or romantic appeal.

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      [–]truth14ful 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Yeah but I don't think it's so much about hitting her as it is about validating themselves. They know she's a celebrity and will never read more than a few comments about her if that, but they were using her beauty as a symbol of the "purity" of white women that white supremacists claim to be protecting, and now that they're mad at her they have to undo that symbol to avoid embarrassment

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        [–]_TwinkleFluff 27 points28 points  (0 children)

        Yeah I see what you mean. It’s not fair, but when someone’s whole image is built on looks and they show you nothing else, that’s the first thing people go after when they fall out of favor. It’s sad how fast admiration flips to cruelty

        [–]Tomiie_Kawakami 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        also, people with shitty morals won't care if you tell them that they have shitty morals... it's quite hard to insult or hurt someone's personality when they obviously agree with the things they promote

        if someone thinks that minorities are bad, you telling them that they're wrong and stupid for it won't actually affect them, they'll just think that you're the stupid one for not agreeing with them

        [–]Any-Passenger294 19 points20 points  (1 child)

        Idk man. She acts fine/goodish. It's really childish imho to try to desperately criticize a person's looks or talent just because they are a shit person. It feels like coping hard. She's a good actress, a beautiful woman and a pos human being. More than one thing can be true at the same time. 

        [–]FunGuy8618 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        I never saw her as attractive cuz her breakout role was as a literal child sex figure. Always been gross.

        [–]grubas 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        She's very much telegraphed that she's trying to make her money while she can, and quickly.  Which I support in the sense of, "fuck Hollywood, it hates women".

        None of her movies have gone anywhere, and none of her "critical roles" have been good or praised.  So that's her acting out, the only other thing she has at that point is her looks and it's very easy to just ick at her.  

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          [–]Starbirch 34 points35 points  (0 children)

          Had a friend who I thought was SO pretty. I wanted to look like them so bad. Then they did something horrible and now they're insanely ugly to me. It's quite interesting how that works

          [–]GullibleBeautiful 82 points83 points  (7 children)

          I think being ugly makes you ugly. Like you could be conventionally quite attractive but as soon as you show out being rude/evil it’s like dropping a veil of ugliness over your soul. But just going “well she’s ugly anyway!!” and pointing out the flaws in someone’s appearance makes you just as ugly.

          [–]iglidante 114 points115 points  (6 children)

          Sydney has this haughty / disdainful look in her eyes in many photos that I've seen recently, and that just makes her feel evil to me. Like, it's a gross expression.

          [–]Photomancer 31 points32 points  (1 child)

          Beauty is such a weird and subtle thing. Sometimes I find people beautiful when they're looking austere, unimpressed, or fierce. But a model can cross a line and look 'mean' or 'arrogant' and it's a turnoff but I wouldn't be able to articulate why.

          [–]iglidante 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Yeah, I do know what you mean. It's as if the constellation of micro expressions that make up a "look" can remain undefined, or, a single facet can (essentially) give you the ick and cause the whole expression to collapse into that one interpretation.

          [–]linerva 42 points43 points  (1 child)

          Ive never liked her expression either.

          Maybe it's reading too much into her appearance because of behaviour, but whilst I understood why other people felt she was attractive, but I didnt really personally "see it" before when it came to her her face. I also felt that 99% of what people saw in her was being blonde, busty and willing to be more risqué than other actresses. In a sea of absolutely stunning celebrities I've neber thought she stood out. Maybe she wpuld amongst normal people like us, but i don't think that' what she's being compared to.

          And that's fine, I'm not her target audience - that would be the horny men buying her bath water.

          Now, I'm busty and that's not a crime, neither is leveraging your sexuality for money. But I always felt she was overrated and that if she were more...modestly proportioned she'd be a lot less famous. I can't blame her for that but I wish society didn't effectively rate us on boob size.

          But i agree that society is awful to women it no longer considers conventionally attractive. I'd still defend her against the oeople calling her ugly kver criticising her performance or ethics.

          [–]thatpotatogirl9 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Yeah, I'll never get calling someone ugly instead of criticizing their choices. Like, she looks like a conventionally pretty woman and consistently has before, in, and after the ad. She's visually not my cup of tea but she's never been my cup of tea and her participating in white supremacist propaganda doesn't make her any more or less visually appealing to me. It just makes me less interested in consuming media she benefits from. No more, no less.

          [–]Piano_Mantis 30 points31 points  (0 children)

          Yes! She didn't always have that expression! She was quite cute a few years ago, but now she's just clearly an awful human inside, and that makes her ugly, just as being an awful human makes countless men ugly.

          [–]Terrible-Horse-6200 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          She's always looked like that. First time I ever saw her in a movie years ago, I had no idea who she was but thought she was quite unattractive. The dead eyes and disdainful expression are her actual face.

          [–]molinitor 61 points62 points  (6 children)

          Yeah that's just so low? I'm not gonna make fun of anyone for their appearance ever, that's just bully behaviour. Trash people for how they behave all you want but leave their looks alone.

          [–]timmiesgirl 21 points22 points  (1 child)

          Yeah, i mean.. even if they don’t care about tearing someone down in a way thats unwarranted… people are really telling on themselves when they do that. Like, really? Of the 100 unattractive, shitty qualities this person has.. you shine spotlight on appearances? Tells everyone what you prioritize when judging worth 😕

          [–]The_Bravinator 38 points39 points  (2 children)

          Mm, exactly. You're not going to make your target feel bad, but you might hurt someone reading with simple features. The rule I try to live by is no insults with collateral damage—if someone's a bad person, there's going to be plenty of criticisms to pick from without resorting to insults that might hurt someone who's done nothing wrong.

          I say this as someone with a largeish facial birthmark who's seen similar features mocked when the target is judged to "deserve it". Again, doesn't affect them at all. Does make me feel self-conscious.

          [–]RoyalGovernment3034 16 points17 points  (1 child)

          That's not really true though necessarily. It sounds really nice though. Hot take but look at JD Vance, who is mocked for a number of his physical attributes, even by his supporters (mostly young men who are ambivalent about him but will still vote for him/Trump). You can very obviously tell the comments about his appearance get to him.

          [–]The_Bravinator 27 points28 points  (0 children)

          Still think it's not fucking worth it. Just call him a couch fucker and move on, that gets to him, too.

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            [–]lonelycranberry 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            I think there’s also the element of wanting to “knock her down a few pegs” as she has largely sold herself by exclusively her looks, jEaNs, and male approval. Not only does that have an expiration date, as men will stop liking her as soon as they stop wanting to fuck her, but she isolated half of the population with the superiority/eugenics bullshit.

            This isn’t right and it’s def not exclusive to her in regards to critique on her appearance- people, famous and non famous, are crucified daily for their appearance. There is a lot to criticize Sydney on but I do think this spiral has a lot of different elements.

            Meghan Trainor is also having her appearance and weight commented on a lot right now after losing a significant amount. That makes me uncomfortable as well but I do understand the frustration, as she branded herself initially as someone who was “happy the way she looked”. A lot of it is projection at the end of the day.

            Bullying often pushes people to identify with the group that agrees with them and I worry for Sydney in that regard.

            [–]ankhes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            It reminds me of when all that shit about Neil Gaiman came out. You had people going from praising his work to saying he was the worst writer on the face of the planet, and they even started accusing him of plagiarizing another writer’s work, all because they found out he was an awful person.

            Like…I get it. I completely understand the knee-jerk reaction to claim whatever it is that you now hate is ugly and untalented and whatever other insults you want to throw, but I also feel like that sends a bad message. Not everything is that black and white. Good people can be unattractive and untalented. Bad people can be beautiful and extremely talented. And yet frequently you find people falling into the trap of seeing things along those strict moral lines (i.e. beauty = good, ugliness = bad). Do we seriously have no room for nuance and complexity anymore?

            [–]Dianassa1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Right. Case point for me: Chris Pratt.

            [–]fatamSC2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yeah I hate it as well. You see it with men too, if some guy starts becoming hated then you see all the "i bet he has a small ****" comments. It's like.. or we could attack him on the actual things that are wrong with him instead of acting like 5 year-olds

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              [–]rachelevil 692 points693 points  (8 children)

              More of our society's conflation of beauty with virtue.

              [–]drethnudrib 126 points127 points  (1 child)

              Beauty leads to success in many industries. Conflating success with virtue is the worst sin of American society. It's given rise to Prosperity Gospel grifters and their followers, who are the same shitstains who voted Trump into office twice. "He's a billionaire, God must favor him and all his shitty opinions" is the most destructive point of view a significant portion of the electorate has ever held.

              [–]HeyVitK 22 points23 points  (0 children)

              The Halo Effect.

              [–]notafuckingcakewalk 57 points58 points  (0 children)

              And ableness with virtue as well.

              Men and women alike are often insulted based on their physical health or ability. 

              [–]SunnyRyter 17 points18 points  (0 children)

              This. People attack where they think it'll hurt the most. And the idea of insulting a woman's looks both because it's easy (cheapshot), and beause is what society values most in women and therefore in theory would hurt the person most. Especially a actress whose currency and value is largely based on looks, let's be honest.

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                [–]_Lazy_Mermaid_ 536 points537 points  (41 children)

                Agree, its like with Kamala Harris, Republicans could have argued against her policy but instead mocked her looks, what she wore, and her laugh

                [–]drethnudrib 287 points288 points  (10 children)

                And it worked, which says volumes about Americans in general.

                [–]_TwinkleFluff 108 points109 points  (1 child)

                Right? The fact that mocking her appearance was more effective than debating policy says so much. It’s wild how surface-level a lot of the discourse still is, especially when it comes to women in power

                [–]Hot-Celebration-8815 41 points42 points  (6 children)

                To be fair, at exit poles, most people voted because the rising cost of living, which trump deceitfully said he would fix. Somehow republicans manage to fuck the economy, tell people they will fix the economy, then get voted in again. And it makes 0 sense.

                [–]_Lazy_Mermaid_ 27 points28 points  (4 children)

                I mean Trump was already president, its not like it was a test election. Everyone knew this time that he was a bigoted pedo. They willingly voted for him knowing this. Idk about you, but my groceries are more expensive than ever

                [–]daaankone 23 points24 points  (0 children)

                Thank you!

                I’m tired of people trying to convince themselves that it’s OK that they “voted for him because of the economy“…as if we haven’t been on this crazy ride during the first term where he nearly destroyed everything in his path!

                It’s so tough having to share this country with bigots and small minded people 😭

                [–]Hot-Celebration-8815 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                Trending searches on voting day: who is Kamala Harris? Biden not running? And trending search tye day after: what are tariffs?

                I didn’t watch the news or follow politics until I was maybe thirty. I’m older now and know people who avoid the news like it’s contagious.

                [–]throcorfe 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                True, voter knowledge on most topics in most elections is consistently, shockingly low, but anyone who doesn’t understand that Trump is a lying criminal doesn’t deserve a vote. It’s in no way secret and only watching Fox is a confession not an excuse

                [–]out of bubblegumDirty_is_God 21 points22 points  (0 children)

                At exit polls people SAID they voted on the economy.

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                  [–]cateisgreat77 54 points55 points  (0 children)

                  Hillary Clinton cries in "shrill" voice

                  [–]hellolovely1 54 points55 points  (0 children)

                  Worse than that, they pretended she slept her way to the top. 

                  I never heard anyone call her ugly because she’s not—but the trade off is that if you don’t get called ugly, you get called a “whore” (especially non-white liberal women).

                  [–]ChoreomaniacCat 38 points39 points  (0 children)

                  And when one of their biggest "gotchas" against Obama was accusing his wife of secretly being trans due to her looks when she doesn't look manly at all.

                  [–]purple_sphinx 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  By politician standards she was quite attractive imo

                  [–]Slay-ig5567 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  But with republicans it's to be expected. They don't pretend to have the upper ground in that regard, and are often even proud of their superficiality

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                    [–]TheSpookying 741 points742 points  (37 children)

                    Whispers It's because even in ostensibly left leaning spaces, people still see physical attractiveness as one of the key indicators of a woman's value and they are incapable of disentangling the two.

                    [–]Redqueenhypo 257 points258 points  (1 child)

                    Middle aged women of the world know this well. A 40 year old woman could build a community center with her bare bleeding hands and lefty men will still call her a wine mom Karen

                    [–]Afraid-Ad9908 23 points24 points  (0 children)

                    Period!

                    [–]peachfluffed 109 points110 points  (4 children)

                    I’ve seen so many self proclaimed left-wing men who immediately go to attacking appearances of a woman or sexualizing/slut shaming her when she does something wrong.

                    It made me realize they probably think that all the time, they just hold their tongues when women who are “good” (in their opinion) are not considered conventionally attractive.

                    [–]re_Claire 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    Ding ding ding, exactly this. We've got to stop pretending that left wing people are magically perfect. I've met enough left wing men and women who are horrible people, misogynistic, racist, antisemitic etc to know that it's not exactly rare. Sure it's probably less likely but it happens.

                    Left wing also means different things to different people. Where I am in the UK, we here (and Europe in general) see many socialist policies as completely centrist and bi-partisan - welfare, healthcare, public services are all just seen as something we all do because it makes for a healthier more prosperous society. For some people, left wing means more equality, less discrimination, or more open borders, for others it's almost solely about economic principles. It's very easy to see it as one homogeneous whole, but political science is much more complicated and it's why we can't just hear someone say I'm left/right wing and assume we know what they mean. (In the UK for eg we have one nation small c conservatives and they're not at all into harsh economic austerity and shitting on immigrants. It's way more complicated than that.)

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                      [–]girlpersona 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                      I genuinely felt we were getting better, that we were leaving this stuff behind in the 90s. :(

                      I’ve seen teens on forums and TikTok asking if they have “trailer park eyes” and what surgery they can get to fix it. We’re letting ourselves down.

                      [–]re_Claire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      As a child of the 90's we've gone full circle sadly.

                      [–]ComedianStreet856 38 points39 points  (1 child)

                      The "left" (at least on reddit) will immediately call a man gay or trans or talk about gender affirming care or he's a p#ssy or whatever when they're making fun of a conservative. I've heard them deadname Caitlyn Jenner or calling these conservative women masculine saying it's ok because she's a conservative. So they just resort to insulting their masculinity (aka by assigning feminine attributes). So in other words they just become men, and they just show their true colors pretty quick when you try to call them out for their line of insults.

                      [–]girlpersona 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                      You’re absolutely right ugh

                      Especially with Caitlyn Jenner. There are SO many reasons to hate on Caitlyn Jenner 🫠 it was abhorrent to see how many people suddenly spewing transphobic comments about her appearance. Like hold up a sec everyone, we’re throwing mixed messages. Are we pro LGBTQ or is it ok to be horrid and forget all that if we don’t like the person?

                      [–]dogecoin_pleasures 45 points46 points  (9 children)

                      I actually haven't seen any of it on left wing spaces, although granted I'm not trawling through the downvote zone.

                      The Sydney Sweeney = ugly discourse was popular on the right/mainstream before the scandals. It was all over youtube, men/boys calling her 'mid' or 'butterface'. I don't doubt that we could be seeing an extra flavour of 'left' critique that involves going after looks too, but the issue belongs to the broader culture of casual sexism.

                      [–]ellesays 40 points41 points  (1 child)

                      I see fat-phobia, lack of understanding of diet culture, image based judgments etc the general failures of patriarchal society present in leftist spaces too, usually in a micro aggression way - but I think many in those spaces are more adept at questioning their assumptions about power structures. I think it’s significantly less likely to run across someone who has done no work to move away from their associations of image and value. But also the most I’ve heard about this is Taylor Lorenz’s video which was very compassionate and sharp I thought

                      [–]ergaster8213 45 points46 points  (0 children)

                      You can see it really blatantly in leftist spaces when it comes to discourse on conservative women. Or just conservative candidates and pundits in general.

                      Let me clear, I am leftist but it's really gross how even "progressive" people (I'm saying it as in believing in the concept of progressing so please don't jump in and say "leftists aren't progressives," anyone) will leap RIGHT to homophobia or fatphobia or transphobia or misogyny or racism or even classism or all of it the moment it's a shitty person.

                      [–]productzilch 29 points30 points  (0 children)

                      But they will do that generally with female actresses or anyone that they find attractive. They have to make sure that we don’t get too “powerful” through them wanting us, after all.

                      Though I have noticed that with AI, anime and the various digital and real touch ups on social media, beauty standards have shot way up for women to the point of being ridiculous and incredibly narrow. I’d say that calling beautiful famous women ugly is part of that cultural shift too.

                      [–]gorgewall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Having dipped into a number of threads dunking in Sydney Sweeney, if there were looks-based jabs, they were all buried.

                      You could find plenty of posts saying she was primarily popular for her looks but that they can't carry her career, or that her right-wing fanbase which developed because of her looks wouldn't go to see a film she stars in where she's not "conventionally attractive" (Christy), but no "ackshually she's an uggo" that I saw.

                      [–]SeaworthinessNew4757 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Girl, pay attention

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                        [–]SeaworthinessNew4757 14 points15 points  (8 children)

                        Yup. Sexism is everywhere. Cues Rep. Jasmine Crockett calling Marjorie Taylor Greene “bleach blonde bad built butch body” and everyone online reacting like "yass slay queen". Bitch can't you hear yourselves? So much for feminism

                        [–]d-d-d-dirtbag 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                        Oh my god, yes! I think you're the only person I've seen say anything about that. MTG sucks and all, but it's dumb to clap for that insult one second and then act like they're anti-body shaming the next.

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                          [–]productzilch 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          I mean, I still do. Not conceptually, but I still find that bias resides in my brain and have to choose to think about what I’m saying and really mean. For people who aren’t introspective about these things and don’t think they should be, it’s not something they bother to do. And on the left, some people will take being on the left as a kind of moral authority rather than a call to humility.

                          [–]drethnudrib 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                          Lena Dunham says thank you very much for your insight.

                          [–]Gove80 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                          interesting how you bring up lefty men when this exact post on this SAME sub has a bunch of lefty women justifying the EXACT same thing op's post mentioned.

                          [–]TheSpookying 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                          I really don't mean to be snippy, but I didn't say men. I said people.

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                            [–]You are now doing kegelsPoopDick420ShitCock 109 points110 points  (1 child)

                            It’s very funny because two years ago it was conservatives saying she was ugly and libs were defending her. Yeah, Goomba Fallacy and all that, but it has been very weird watching it all unfold in real time.

                            [–]-IcctHedral 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            People just love using an attractive young woman as a punching bag, that's all.

                            [–]evilblackgirl 287 points288 points  (15 children)

                            people have always said she’s unattractive (like regular people, not the usual redpilled men who call the likes of margot robbie ‘mid’). she even went on ig live to cry to her followers because a tweet pointing out that she’s unattractive without her boobs went semi-viral. people were just being nice because she was seemingly nice at the time and looked pretty when done up. they’re saying what they thought of her before, just out loud now.

                            [–]deathcabscutie 102 points103 points  (0 children)

                            Yeah, maybe it’s the spaces I’m in, but people have been calling her some version of struggle-faced since forever. Another common comment was something like “she’s not ugly but she’s not pretty.”

                            OP’s point absolutely still stands, Sydney just might not be the best example of it.

                            [–]VegetableMix5362 143 points144 points  (5 children)

                            I’m honestly confused as to when she was an ‘it girl’, and when everyone was obsessed with her and her beauty. I’m Genz and she certainly wasn’t considered any of those things amongst anyone I know or even on any of my timelines. She was spoken about a lot in a wink wink nudge nudge way because of how much her body was pushed, but she didn’t start any trends nor was she influential in any way that would signify positive popularity.

                            [–]Tomiie_Kawakami 51 points52 points  (0 children)

                            she really wasn't imo, like i've never seen her get attention like that (to the extent of her being an "it girl"), but i have seen cassie (from euphoria) get attention, so maybe OP is confusing the two

                            but sydney has never been considered an epitome of beauty, acting or anything like that, even the right used to shit on her every chance they got and most everyday people either had no idea who she was, what she did or why she was famous to begin with and they didn't care to find out

                            the right started to make it seem like people being upset about her racism are only upset because she was so popular, loved and beautiful

                            so i think this discourse only came as a way to diminish the criticism she's been receiving to "people are jealous of our white queen for being so beautiful" while they were hating on her one year ago

                            [–]staunch_character 77 points78 points  (2 children)

                            Yeah I never understood her appeal beyond the boobs.

                            She’s not ugly, but she’s not a standout beauty by conventional standards (like, say…Margot Robbie or Ana de Armas) & she doesn’t have anything interesting about her look either that could be strikingly beautiful to some, but maybe more subjective (eg. Anya Taylor-Joy or Tilda Swinton).

                            The “basic” label seems very apt.

                            I have no idea how she got so famous so quickly. She seems fine as an actress, but I assumed she must be a nepo baby based on how many roles she gets.

                            [–]T4B0O 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                            Yeah same im genz and i dont recall her being an ‘it girl’

                            [–]the_V33 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                            Let's add the fact that until recently, saying that you didn't find her super attractive would get you called jealous, bitter, ugly and whatnot. I got ripped to pieces for saying that I don't find another well liked actress attractive, in a context where we were specifically talking about it, so it's not like I went out of the way to disparage her, and I'm not making posts to call Sweeney ugly or anything, but at least now I can say I never liked her without a bunch of gooners and pickmishas coming after me.

                            That said, it's true that looks is the first thing people go for to criticise women, but I don't think SS is the best example here.

                            [–]meerameeraonthwall 21 points22 points  (2 children)

                            I sort of got the sense that people are calling her ugly now specifically because she proved she was insecure about it. Like people don’t necessarily believe it, they just want to hit her where it hurts.

                            Not sure that it makes it feel any better to be a woman in these spaces though.

                            [–]deathcabscutie 22 points23 points  (0 children)

                            Nah, these aren’t new or fake opinions. They’re just being shouted at full volume because she sucks in particular and the public sucks in general.

                            [–]evilblackgirl 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                            no, trust me when i say people genuinely find her unattractive. not proud of it, but i’m very chronically online and saw different demographics in different spaces talk about how she looked a lil ‘bonked in the head’ and was ‘just boobs/top heavy/airpod/wendy williams build’ long before the maga family thing and the jeans/genes ad.

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                              [–]hellolovely1 197 points198 points  (26 children)

                              I’ve genuinely never thought she has a pretty face. Her appeal is her hair and boobs. However, she’s certainly not ugly. 

                              If she had some charm or wit, I might think she’s prettier than I would otherwise but that doesn’t seem to be the case. 

                              [–]Taking Up SpaceAhAhStayinAnonymous 78 points79 points  (18 children)

                              Same, her face is average. That being said, it's a man's/Republican's favorite pastime to reduce a woman to her looks.

                              [–]Present-Director8511 38 points39 points  (17 children)

                              Yet, you are doing the same thing in this conversation. Why do you feel the need to state you think her "face is average"?

                              [–]gothyxbby 22 points23 points  (11 children)

                              Are her looks not the topic of conversation here?

                              She was the only example used in the post.

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                                [–]dreleanorabernathy1 16 points17 points  (1 child)

                                Same here. Is she very pretty/conventionally attractive? Yes. I just don’t get the obsession over her looks and how many people raved about her. There are tons of beautiful, striking, gorgeous, talented women in Hollywood that she never stood out to me. Blonde hair and big boobs was usually the explanation. Really??? Yawn.

                                And to OP‘s point, yes, it sucks that people are attacking her looks and equal measure as they’re attacking her personality. I just don’t see why she was on such a high pedestal to begin with.

                                [–]redstonez 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                Dark hair is just as beautiful

                                [–]Saradoesntsleep 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                I've always liked her face tbh. Her big dopey eyes are adorable to me.

                                Well they were, idk, tbh it's hard to see now somehow, because she's so ugly inside. Really weird how that works.

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                                  [–]IAMA_Shark__AMA 18 points19 points  (1 child)

                                  Everyone was obsessed with her and her beauty.

                                  Nah, that's not true. Just a couple of years ago incels were doing complex diagrams of everything wrong with her face.

                                  The comments have always been there, the only thing that changed was who was saying them.

                                  [–]RigorousMortality 29 points30 points  (1 child)

                                  It was really something when a bunch of weird dudes online called Margot Robbie "mid" when Barbie was out.

                                  [–]Bwolffff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  And they were only saying it because Barbie was a “feminist” movie 

                                  [–]red wine and popcornSheiraTiireine 220 points221 points  (32 children)

                                  Some of us legit do not see people as attractive when it is shown that they are terrible people, or just completely stupid. I can't see her face without just thinking how dumb she is, and somehow that makes her ugly to me.

                                  [–]zarazilla 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                  But why is 'ugly' more of a criticism than 'white supremacist'?

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                                    [–]imhereforthemeta 107 points108 points  (4 children)

                                    I’ve been shamefully thinking Sydney Sweeney wasn’t attractive since euphoria and now I’m perfectly fine saying she’s not attractive now. I don’t think it’s objectively true she’s good looking, and the things I found unattractive her in years ago which Ehem..you pointed out people say are no less true now. I don’t feel required to be a girls girl to someone who isn’t one, but yeah. The fetal alcohol thing used to just be something I thought privately with guilt. Now I don’t feel as bad about it. She’s not attractive to me and a weird choice for a sex symbol.

                                    Whether it’s appropriate to talk shit about folks appearance online is another story and debatable.

                                    TBH one of my favorite things to do is screenshot ugly men’s profile photos when they say sexist shit so I’m Not gonna say I’m above that but it’s okay that you are. I think there’s a reasonable argument to be had on if it’s okay, but I’ll still be out there dunking on guys with bug eyes talking about how women are the devil lol.

                                    [–]sisterfunkhaus 57 points58 points  (0 children)

                                    I don't think she's great looking either. I never have. Not that I'm some great beauty.

                                    [–]LongConsideration662 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                                    Frr I never found her attractive

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                                      [–]Deepdarkorchid16 47 points48 points  (5 children)

                                      Patriarchy to blame, as per usual. The very worst way that you can insult a woman is to insult her appearance, so that's what the idiots focus on. When you're young, stupid, or shallow, that insult stings like no other. Fortunately, as most women age, and come into our strength, we don't care as much.

                                      [–]Beepbeepboobop1 143 points144 points  (3 children)

                                      I find it hard to feel sorry for her.

                                      [–]Fuzzy-Ad-7691 123 points124 points  (1 child)

                                      I don't feel sorry for her, either. I feel sorry for women with similar features catching strays because instead of criticizing her actions, people call her ugly and pick apart her appearance.

                                      [–]Saradoesntsleep 43 points44 points  (0 children)

                                      You're big-time right about this. It's not about her, it's about who's watching.

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                                        [–]IAmNotAWoodenDuck 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                        This is how I think about Karoline Leavitt as well. "She looks so old because hate ages a person." No, she looks how she looks and that's that. Also her personality is terrible and she's full of hate, but that has nothing to do with her looks. And maybe those comments hurt Karoline and maybe she doesn't care, but at the end of the day all these comments are doing are teaching people that it's her own fault if a woman looks older and it must be because she's immoral. It's just repackaged purity culture. AGAIN.

                                        [–]Piano_Mantis 115 points116 points  (6 children)

                                        I don't think it's that complicated. There have been LOADS of male celebrities that I thought were VERY attractive, but they did something that gave me the ick, and now I think they're ugly. (Example: Chris Evans marrying a 20-something when he was over 40 -- gross!)

                                        Earlier today, I rewatched the SNL skit "Bowen's Straight" with Sweeney, and I was like, "She looks so cute here! What's up?" Then I rewatched her GQ interview, and she IS UGLY! Her bigotry is shining out of her face, and it makes her UGLY. Her features haven't changed, but her personality is repulsive, and that makes her ugly.

                                        We should be able to recognize that inner ugliness can cause outward ugliness in anyone, male or female.

                                        [–]KeyMyBike 57 points58 points  (1 child)

                                        True, but when you're singling out specific traits like "sunken trailer trash eyes" it's no longer about how they wear their negativity and hate on their face, and about the genetic shape of their face.

                                        It's a tough line to walk for sure.

                                        [–]productzilch 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                                        And butterface, apparently. Personality very affects attraction but I think the line is getting insulting or getting very specific.

                                        [–]ThatsItImOverThis 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                                        I was of the same mind. I thought Chris Evans was a stand up guy…then he married a girl almost 20 years his junior. Ew.

                                        [–]GoldenRedditUser 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                                        Must be different for everybody, for me your personality can make you less attractive as a potential partner but not less beautiful.

                                        [–]❤nightimestars 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                        Nobody said an ugly personality literally makes you ugly. Personality just plays the most important part in making you feel endeared or repulsed by someone. Like there are a lot of people who are conveniently attractive but they are super hated to the point nobody wants to deal with them. Appearance alone isn’t enough to make people like you as a person.

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                                          [–]T4B0O 47 points48 points  (0 children)

                                          I never found her beautiful before or after and i dont remember her being praised for her beauty? I remember her getting attention for her body, specifically her chest and not necessarily her face. And honestly, an ugly personality makes someone ugly too IMO

                                          [–]dogecoin_pleasures 27 points28 points  (0 children)

                                          IIRC, it wasn't a "switch up". The timeline of discourse I saw was that the Sydney Sweeney = ugly discourse was popular on the right before the scandals. And then it never actually went away. If anything, I stopped seeing it so much because the scandal talk finally displaced some of the discourse of men calling her 'mid'.

                                          [–]KTeacherWhat 78 points79 points  (8 children)

                                          I doubt she was ever the "most beautiful in the industry" since I never even heard of her until the white supremacist stuff came out. I agree she's pretty. I also agree her eyes look a bit strange in the pictures I saw when I looked her up.

                                          [–]NerdyFrida 30 points31 points  (1 child)

                                          I think that it's important to remember than when you insult someones looks you are also also insulting everyone else that looks similar. So even though you might think that the first person deserves to be insulted the same is not true for other people who probably did nothing at all to deserve it.

                                          [–]Fuzzy-Ad-7691 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                          Yes, this is precisely why I have such a big issue with it. People are understandably angry with her, and it makes them feel good to lob insults about her physical appearance. But by attacking her looks, you're attacking everyone else who has similar features, and in my opinion...that makes you a shitty person. ("you" as in, the people doing the insults. Not you, the commenter. You're cool)

                                          [–]P3pp3rJ6ck 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                          Yes I hate this especially because other people look like whoevers being insulted. Like, why cant we just keep it on behavior? Do we have to say stuff about noses and eyes, and so on? On this lady in particular, I think she does look like a basic pretty white girl, but that just means I know several women who somewhat resemble her. I dont want those women insulted. I dont want little girls looking in the mirror and feeling upset they have "trailer park eyes" or the other insults ive seen directed at her. Shes a bad person because of beliefs, not because of looks. 

                                          [–]Busterlimes 16 points17 points  (2 children)

                                          Patriarchal standards of women imposed on society.

                                          [–]drethnudrib 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                          If you're going to say something important, you'd better look pretty saying it.

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                                            [–]fakesaucisse 18 points19 points  (1 child)

                                            Huh, I hadn't heard people think she looks like she has FAS. My worst ex said that I looked like I had it when I broke up with him for the last time. It was a way to indicate not only was I disfigured, but I was disfigured because my mom didn't love me enough to take care of me during pregnancy. Also it meant there was nothing I could really do about it, much like other physical deformities, so I would carry it with me forever no matter what I tried.

                                            I think that's why guys say this kind of stuff. They want a woman to think she's irreparably broken and was always unwanted, so unwanted that she couldn't have even prevented it nor can she fix it. It's like the Calvinist belief that your fate is predetermined and nothing you can do will change it so just accept your lower status in life and stay in your place.

                                            [–]DeterminedErmine 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                            You’ll notice no one is saying her boobs are ugly though

                                            [–]bigmangina 8 points9 points  (5 children)

                                            Did she out herself as a white supremacist? Im not all over american shenanigans, id like to see that.

                                            [–]PrinceKido 27 points28 points  (1 child)

                                            It always rubs me the wrong way how quick people are to attack women in politics based on their looks. Like there’s plenty of women in politics i hate can we please not attack them based on their looks.

                                            [–]Fluffy_Somewhere4305 48 points49 points  (5 children)

                                            While the OP is of course correct that disparaging a woman's looks is one of the first insults used online, it's not worth the time and energy to try and use a MAGAt as the center point for that discussion.

                                            There's been a million other cases of women who are not supporting right wing misogynists to put this effort into rather than Sweeney.

                                            [–]ergaster8213 27 points28 points  (2 children)

                                            Those are those types of women you use as a barometer for how much misogyny is really in the air, though (and in yourself and in those around you who proclaim to be progressive). Conditional misogyny still ends up hurting us all. If people are commonly reaching for misogyny to criticize even horrible women who have much of actual substance to criticize, well then that doesn't bode well for any of us.

                                            So it's not really about their abhorrent asses. It's about what it means for the rest of us and our society at large. How people criticize the shitty people (whatever that means to them) shows us what we still find relevant or the beliefs we still hold as the default.

                                            [–]Letho_of_Gulet 16 points17 points  (1 child)

                                            Yep, if you're anti-misogyny, you're against misogyny in all places, not just for the people you like, otherwise you're still supporting and upholding misogyny. It's definitional conservatism to only care about issues when they affect "your team".

                                            [–]Fuzzy-Ad-7691 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                                            You are correct that there are plenty of other cases. Sweeney is just the one I see the most discourse about right now, so I made a quick post about it. This is a subreddit, not a scholarly conference 🤷‍♀️

                                            [–]SeattlePopulace 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                                            Beauty isn’t always about appearance.

                                            [–]aMaIzYnG 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                            I get the sentiment of seeing someone as ugly when their inside turns out to be ugly, but my biggest concern is about making comparisons.

                                            There are people with fetal alcohol syndrome who don't deserve to be compared to her. Cant there be another way to insult her that doesn't cause collateral damage?

                                            [–]the-last-aiel 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                            People that think a woman's only value is her looks will attack that first. It really says more about them than her. If you see people in your life doing this, suspicion about what kind of misogyny they're hiding is warranted.

                                            [–]Comfortable_Candy649 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                            I saw a lot about her being “mid” last year. Like a LOT.

                                            Being ugly on the inside is what’s tragic in her case.

                                            [–]Anxious_Light_1808 48 points49 points  (4 children)

                                            In my defense, I always thought she was ugly lol

                                            [–]Basically Tina BelcherSignificant-Dog-4362 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                            Same here. I can step outside in Hartford even and find someone more attractive 

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                                              [–]Prokofi 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                                              I mean this happens all the time, a ton of people (including those who are ostensibly liberals or leftists) will use misogyny/racism/fatphobia/ableism/transphobia/homophobia etc the second they have a socially acceptable target who their audience views as a bad person. I mean it happens all the time, for example people like MTG, Trump, Candace Owens, Hillary Clinton etc.

                                              This isn't to defend those people, but I don't think bigotry is acceptable regardless of how terrible the person you're targeting is. Terrible people tend to have an astounding number of valid things to criticize them for. When people dip into things like misogyny to shit on Swastika Sweeney it just shows they don't really give a fuck about misogyny, same goes for using any other form of bigotry to shit on public figures you dislike.

                                              Also to be clear I'm not saying people have to find SS hot, just that going out of your way to shit on a woman's physical appearance because you don't like her is a misogynistic behavior.

                                              [–]Wild_Height_901 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                                              Sydney Sweeney is pushing for eugenics?

                                              [–]ZombiiRot 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                                              Ugh. Yeah...

                                              After I've been getting more and more into feminism, the extreme misogyny left wing men use to insult right wing women is revolting. Like... Don't make me defend these women, lmao. Just don't be sexist to them.

                                              [–]Ja22hands 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                                              She was popular and on the up and up but she’s not a bombshell beauty let alone conventionally attractive. Even with her latest attempts all I remember is her having big boobs. Did not find her attractive still and seeing the things she aligns herself with has no merit on that. If she were a good person her disposition would reflect that and probably add to her looks. She looks below average at best not sure why people are lying. Not like she’s ugly there’s nothing wrong with being normal.

                                              [–]Just_Sugar_6475 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                              I always thought she looked like Rupert Grint

                                              [–]Sofiwyn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                              I think it's two different groups of people who are/were being vocal. Beauty is subjective. Even when Sweeney was an "it" girl, there were plenty of people who thought she wasn't very attractive, but since it wasn't a popular opinion, they kept quiet. Meanwhile the people who thought she was pretty, were very vocal about it, because that's the popular opinion.

                                              Now that Sweeney has lost a lot of good will, the people who think she's pretty are quiet, because it's not a good look to say a white supremacist looks pretty to them. Meanwhile, the people who always thought she wasn't attractive feel almost gleeful about the fact that 1) it's okay to call her ugly now and 2) she's actually a genuinely bad person.

                                              Also, I don't know if this a woman exclusive thing. Right now, Zohran Mamdani is very loved, and there's a bunch of thirst trap videos of him. However, if he loses popularity, there will absolutely be a lot of people mocking his appearance, his race, etc. Those people still exist right now - they're like Trump who thinks he looks better than Mamdani (wtf). They just don't feel safe to express that opinion right now, because it's not popular.

                                              In other words, I think this a "not a straight white man" thing. People will mock your apperance if you're gay, a part of a minority, female, etc. if they're allowed to.

                                              This is not supposed to be the takeaway, but I'm starting to think maybe we need to start bullying white male physical features more when they belong to shitty men, lol.

                                              Edit: I genuinely have never found Sweeney 'beautiful.' Just not my cup of tea - beauty is genuinely subjective. I think Keira Knightly, Natalie Portman, Emilia Clarke, Anoki Yai, Lupita Nyong'o, Angela Bassett, Zoe Saldana, etc. are gorgeous, but I'm sure others disagree. Sweeney is not objectively beautiful is what I'm trying to say. I'm not sure anyone is.

                                              [–]Crazy-4-Conures 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                              I'm always amazed how quickly the insults turn gendered and sexual. Coming from both men and women.

                                              [–]TazDevy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                              You know that old saying about beauty being skin deep, sometimes when people find out how ugly you are on the inside, it hard for them to see anything else honestly imo.

                                              [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                                              I remembered when she first did that Vogue skin care video and was featured as a celebrity of the skin week when it was constantly poring out new celebs and everyone was on Vogue and talked a lot and she well liked she was very beautiful too without any makeup and even complimented on for her being real over her over how skin and how it looked, and it was mostly women too.

                                              Of course, her co-star, Alexa, get as much views than her, but she was constantly praised for her beauty, and the switch up is very insane from men who, of course, don’t see that only because of her body and what her character was about.

                                              Men always thought she had a lower rate face before the comments began, but I’m certain she was just called hot or something most of the times that they thought she was attractive and ‘beautiful’.

                                              I swear men live in a weird planet than us

                                              (Edit: a typo)

                                              [–]YetAnotherZombie 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                                              I sure did enjoy the combination of "skin week" and "poring". I have nothing grown-up to add to the conversation, but I really enjoyed this pun so much I had to tell you.

                                              [–]starfire92 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                                              I don't know - maybe I'm the problem but I personally never saw her as super attractive and I never thought anyone else did. I thought her biggest appeal was you know, her biggest appeals. I had never seen euphoria and I would see Sweeney on the carpet and be like "who is this girl popping up everywhere?" And at the same time I'd also see Alexa Demie and thought she was drop dead gorgeous and I thought she was gonna be the breakout star. Only to see a few years later, Sweeney has been busy with projects and Alexa moved away from it.

                                              But I do agree with your overall sentiment and think for a majority of cases it's true. I also think there's a social commentary to be had that we view people are "more ugly" if we don't like them. Its almost like due to us liking them maybe we attribute beauty through politeness and love bombing and the moment we don't like them the things we probably didn't see as ugly, now we have no energy to put it on a pedestal.

                                              [–]vibe4it 76 points77 points  (2 children)

                                              She is ugly

                                              It has nothing to do with her features 

                                              [–]PlanetOfThePancakes 29 points30 points  (0 children)

                                              Ugly is as ugly does. Someone can be ugly despite having conventionally attractive features. It’s a far better judgment to judge people based on character than appearances. One day even the most beautiful human will be old and wrinkly and eventually a decomposing corpse. We should criticize personality and actions.

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                                                [–]CharlieTurbo_77 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                                                I mean, I personally think she is pretty average in terms of "pretty" even though she is conventionally attractive.

                                                [–]girlpersona 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                Creepy weirdo men were saying things like “butterface” “mid”/“trailer park eyes”/“she’s ugly but has nice boobs” to her and a lot of other women way before this all came out. I guess because of some weird power fantasy they have.

                                                It’s really gross seeing how so many people on the left have stooped to saying these things after all the shit went down this year. Like even in THIS comment section “she’s ugly, she just has nice boobs”.

                                                Like wtf. Hate on her for politics or behaviour but when I see those comments from people they’re no better than the creepy Facebook misogynists. Leave that shit in the 90s.

                                                I stumbled on a post where a teen was asking if she had “trailer park eyes” and how to fix it. This is what it’s doing. I really despise it.

                                                [–]Stellar_Impulse 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                Shes attractive, but shes not extremely beautiful. She does have "cheerleader captain from middle of nowhere in arkansas' look. You think she would be this famous if she didnt have big breasts? At least I dont think so.

                                                [–]Ill_Coffee_6821 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                                                I’m super liberal and part of a minority and I feel like people blew a jeans ad way out of proportion. People get offended by everything these days. She has good jeans / genes bc she’s a stunningly beautiful woman. She’s not claiming to be a white supremacist and if anyone of any other race or ethnicity had done that ad it would have been any other denim ad. Not everything needs to be so serious, political, or offensive. I’m prepared for the downvotes, but I really feel like this controversy is beyond ridiculous. The world has bigger problems than for people to throw a fit over a hot woman in a denim ad. I’m glad she didn’t apologize to appease people. The offense to everything has gone too far.

                                                [–]AMugOfPeppermintTea 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                I heard a phrase years ago and I can't remember where it breaks down the fundamentals in how misogyny works for a lot of people. "The worst thing a woman can be is ugly. The worst thing a man can be is like a woman."

                                                [–]chandick 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                                                I've seen people saying that about her and dudes calling her a butterface or mid on twitter since like 2023

                                                [–]Odimorsus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                It’s almost like if you don’t like, agree with or support a particular woman, you have to pretend she isn’t attractive at all as though the quality of her character and sex appeal are intrinsically linked.. 🙄

                                                [–]SkeevyMixxx7 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                                                Just like Trump, and any other butt hurt guy who calls a woman ugly when she's having a far different conversation. There are men who believe with all their heart that calling a woman ugly is literally the worst thing you can say to or about a woman. They have no other use for us besides our being decorative or convenient to them. So, they also believe that we should feel devastated when someone calls us ugly.

                                                [–]TES_Elsweyr 31 points32 points  (7 children)

                                                Eugenics? She was in an ad with a jeans / gene pun. No man would be called a eugenicist for that. On the left we burn women just as quickly as we claim not to sometimes.

                                                [–]myburnerforhere 17 points18 points  (2 children)

                                                It was basically just saying "she's beautiful, she has great genes, or jeans, haha."

                                                It never occurred to me to read white supremacy into that.

                                                They could have just gotten a beautiful black woman and ran the same pun and they wouldn't have had any issue. I don't think anybody would have thought it was some black supremacy signal.

                                                [–]The Everything Kegelduncan-the-wonderdog 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                                                Eugenics is starting to become one of those words that has basically become divorced from actual meaning, right along with 'gaslighting' and 'narcissist'.

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                                                  [–]Metrichex 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                  Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes straight to the bone

                                                  [–]TheCapitalLetterB 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                                                  "Her weird white supremacy and eugenics bullshit"

                                                  Yall made this up and decided it was real. It was a fucking denim commercial. Go outside and talk to real people. Get out of your stupid internet echo chamber.

                                                  [–]-IcctHedral 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                  Exactly. This is fucking embarrassing. It's pathetic how the left is turning and hating on a young woman for literally nothing just as fast as the right does. The world just loves to use a woman as a punching bag.

                                                  [–]jwcn40 18 points19 points  (2 children)

                                                  What exactly are people upset with her about? That Jeans/Genes commercial?

                                                  [–]deadstraddl3 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                  Is there some evidence to her being a white supremacist eugenics enjoyer or are yall just doing the reddit hug of death? Im aware that her parents are pricks, but it appears yall are doing the exact thing youre criticizing.

                                                  [–]LongNailedbooboos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                  Tbh, even before she came out, I was seeing hate about her looks off and on for quite awhile

                                                  [–]Jeepersca 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                  Just about any woman can recount a story of a man trying to hit on her, and when she declines, he then says something to the effect that she was lucky he bothered because she was too ugly anyway. What people don’t realize when they do this is that it is obvious to those who witnessed it how they really feel about women, that somehow her worth is attached to her looks whether they realize that’s what they are implying or not. Suggesting that this woman gets by on her looks so it’s hitting or where it hurts ignores the fact that she didn’t have to be famous for this to be the “hitting her where it hurts“ technique used universally against women.

                                                  [–]esensofz 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                                                  Uhhh people thought she was ugly before too.

                                                  [–]faithOver 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                  I still can’t believe how many people think an ad about jeans is about eugenics.

                                                  What a weird timeline.

                                                  [–]HarRob 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                                  Did she come out as a white supremacist ? I thought she was in a tone deaf commercial.

                                                  [–]567UiM9800 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                  well, she’s not pretty

                                                  [–]Aggleclack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  I 100% agree with you. I live in Nancy Mace’s district, and I worked on a few races against her. I thought it was interesting when people would try to call her ugly. She’s objectively not. She’s just a terrible person.

                                                  [–]serendipitouslyus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  I know you didn't make this post so people could tell you how ugly they think she is, but like I genuinely think a lot of people have always thought she wasn't very attractive besides her body. I remember stuff calling her a butterface before all the white supremacist stuff, it's just seen as more "acceptable" to say she's ugly now.

                                                  [–]nonoiseplz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  Before her team went on an extensive online campaign to promote her as a beautiful sex kitten, people all over the internet were calling her a ‘butter face’. She gained this level of popularity by trying to convince the world to change its opinion on her appearance. Now that she has the world’s attention, it’s impossible to make everyone fall for her marketing.

                                                  [–]lucaatiel 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                  I agree to a point but I also feel in this specific instance her appearance gets dragged because it is what was being hyped by the eugenics shit she pulled. She stops being even conventionally attractive when you start to get the sense that there is some superiority complex derived from her features. Sure she's pretty, but no one has any business, even for a script, putting all that down on good genetics in the most uncomfortable eugenicsy-sounding way. It's not random that her appearance is dragged, unlike basically every other woman in the spotlight under other controversy where their appearance should NOT even matter in the slightest.

                                                  I guess I see the trend, but I just don't think it missed with this one. This just isn't a case where commenting on the woman's appearance bothers me.

                                                  Like there is also a problem where people don't like women's confidence, so if they have confidence in their looks then people will drag them, and maybe this is like with Sydney. But I also feel like the eugenics part changes everything about that. She isn't just going "yeah I know I'm hot" and everyone is like "actually you are ugly!". It's "I have better/superior genes that make me hot" which is Weird! like no. Actually you are ugly. Because only someone ugly through and through can have that attitude.

                                                  [–]WestCoastCompanion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  It’s because men don’t care if they’re ugly. That’s not their currency in society like it is ours. Look what happens when you call a man broke tho. Or smol pp. Trump is a good example.

                                                  [–]Nerdiestlesbian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  I agree she is physically attractive. But her personality (or lack there of) and the refusal to denounce the crazy neo-nationalism, that is what gives me the ick. I wouldn’t call her ugly.

                                                  I’ve had the same issue with other “celebrities”.

                                                  I also think it’s a knee jerk reaction to men saying she is “hot” while at the same time calling other women ugly.

                                                  [–]ShakeWeightMyDick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  If the only value you ascribe to women is their appearance, then it follows that you’d malign their appearance if you wanted to denigrate them

                                                  [–]foxyopiumfun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  This post made me lol irl.

                                                  [–]FigPuzzleheaded5011 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                  Yeah People need their scapegoat- Sweeney has become the new Hollywood punching bag. People hate to see beautiful and talented women succeed. 🤷🏼‍♀️

                                                  [–]Alledag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  I saw the trailer park white girl eyes post as well, that was insane 

                                                  [–]benhbell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  looks should be off limits. its just misoginy mascerading as justice sometimes.

                                                  [–]hygsi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  I find it worse how it's 2025 and poeple still think a woman's looks are her whole being, this is a symptom, not a cause.

                                                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                  Yeah I hate it. Criticize her actions, not her looks.

                                                  [–]Plug_boy 21 points22 points  (5 children)

                                                  If you think Sydney Sweeneys ad was racist your a fucking idiot.

                                                  [–]red_fuel 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                                  Notice how only the Reddit and X echo chambers think that

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                                                    [–]Sigynde 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                    FWIW, I insult mens’ appearances all the time if I hate them. Obviously not to their faces. But it makes me feel better to call horrible men “ugly micropeens” and I will not be stopping ever.

                                                    [–]rejectallgoats 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                    Attractiveness is based on more than just physical attributes. People got the ick from her and their perception of her changed.

                                                    [–]LascieI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                    A lot of the time this is said, I believe it's because whoever is saying it thinks it'll be the most hurtful thing to say to/about her. The same reason why rejection sometimes results in being called "ugly".

                                                    [–]Competitive_Swan_130 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                    I think this is true for most people. Sooooo many men have been sexy to me until they said something idiotic or bigoted and I immediately lose interest in them. They turn ugly af to me. Men would be shocked at how many times they have talked themselves out of a hook up with me in the past..

                                                    [–]star_tyger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                    A woman's value is too tied up with her appearance in our society. To many people, its hard to like a woman for any reason without also wanting to see her as beautiful, or at least attractive. It's also hard to dislike or hate a woman without seeing her, or at least calling her ugly.

                                                    [–]Trans WomanTherealdovakin43 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                    To me, she’s ugly because all conservatives/right wingers are ugly just by the very nature of being authoritarian pieces of shit. Inside beauty meaning more than superficial outside beauty and all that

                                                    [–]Marisarah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                    I actually do see her as unattractive due to knowing who she is on the inside. I do this with men too!!

                                                    [–]smfaviatrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                    People think that the highest compliment a woman can receive is to be called pretty. So when they take that accolade away from someone, they believe it’s the ultimate punishment and shame.

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